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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.0&return_msg=42911.1"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.11">11–18</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42911.1">Solaris (1972, 2002)</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42911_1_18_10"> <a name="a42911_1"></a><div class="message" id="message_42911_1"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">29 Sep 2022 15:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">1 of 18</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.1">42911.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Rather surprised this did not turn up in a search from 'the beginning of time,' except mentioned in passing on some non-Solaris titled threads ...<br /> <br /> Mrs.D is doing a "great course" on scifi in the movies, and turned up some beauts including this one. Or these ones. First we watched the 2002 remake starring George Clooney (which I had definitely seen before), then she read the book, then we watched the original(?) 1978 Tartovsky outing, which I dunno, maybe seen before?<br /> <br /> Mrs.D is admant that the Tartovsky original is a more faithful adaptation, and exposition-wise differs significantly from the Soderbergh-Cameron version, however I thought they were very similar plot treatments of the material, though with considerable differences in how scenes were staged and intercut (it would be fair to say the Soderbergh is a tad dumbed-down). I felt I knew exactly how the T-version would unfold, and wasn't surprised or confounded by any unforeseen plot wrinkles, having seen the S-version so recently.<br /> <br /> The T-version has better effects (surprising, given its age, and James Cameron's producer role in the Soderburgh), and has an overall more convincing portrayal of the humanoid creature summoned by the alien life-force from the Kelvin character's memories of his dead wife, including a memorable scene in which <span class="spoiler"><span>she recovers painfully from having swallowed liquid oxygen</span></span> -- which did not rely on any remarkable effects, but on superb scripting and acting.<br /> <br /> One thing I realized from my forum search was that I had confused Solaris with T's other film, Stalker, which I found unwatchably dull.<br /> <br /> The T-version Solaris is reckoned to be one of the 'best' (as in profound) portrayals of an alien in a scifi film, a claim I have no quarrel with.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 29 Sep 2022 16:08 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.1&return_msg=42911.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42911.1"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42911_2"></a><div class="message" id="message_42911_2"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">29 Sep 2022 16:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">2 of 18</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.2">42911.2</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9LMMn8czq2w" style="height:360px;margin:0px auto;width:480px;"></iframe><br /> <br /> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/rvm7WMbXfeY" style="height:360px;margin:0px auto;width:480px;"></iframe></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.2&return_msg=42911.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42911.2"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42911_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_42911_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">30 Sep 2022 09:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Sep 2022 14:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3 of 18</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.3">42911.3</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.1#a42911_2" target="_self">42911.2</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The Tarkovsky version had been showing in London for a year or so when I turned up as a fresh-faced art student. I remember conversations along the lines of:<br /> <br /> "Isn't 2001 a great film?"<br /> "Yes, but I've seen Solaris, and it's better."<br /> <br /> As though the two were somehow in competition. I never did get to see it while I was at St. M's, but I sneaked back in late 1975 to see it. It's one of the few films that really blew me away then and there. I went back to see it again a few months later. Probably the reason I was ready for Stalker when I saw that. They aren't exactly similar, but there's a Tarkovsky mood in both of them.<br /> <br /> No problem with the Soderbergh-Cameron version. It's a pretty similar telling of the story, and not badly done. I guess they liked the original, and decided to make some money. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.3&return_msg=42911.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42911.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42911_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_42911_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">30 Sep 2022 14:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Sep 2022 14:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 18</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.4">42911.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.1#a42911_3" target="_self">42911.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Tartovsky definitely brings the mood! My favourite is still Andrei Rublev.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.4&return_msg=42911.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42911.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42911_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_42911_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">30 Sep 2022 14:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Sep 2022 14:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 18</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.5">42911.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.1#a42911_3" target="_self">42911.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I did not know you were an art student. Which school?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.5&return_msg=42911.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42911.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42911_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_42911_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">30 Sep 2022 14:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Sep 2022 15:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 18</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.6">42911.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.1#a42911_5" target="_self">42911.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> St Martin's (which was) in Charing Cross Road. Only did a foundation year there.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.6&return_msg=42911.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42911.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42911_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_42911_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">30 Sep 2022 16:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Sep 2022 18:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 18</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.7">42911.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.1#a42911_6" target="_self">42911.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Heard of it! I was at the Edinburgh College of Art for two, non-consecutive years, roughly around the same time, Massachusetts CoA (Boston) before that for a year, and much later (early 90s), NSCAD where I did a design degree.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.7&return_msg=42911.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42911.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42911_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_42911_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">30 Sep 2022 19:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Oct 2022 22:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 18</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.8">42911.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.1#a42911_7" target="_self">42911.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You did better than me. I might have been able to take it further, but I was a very young 18 when I started and needed a bit of guidance (or slapping into line). St Martin's was completely laid back so I did the same. I must have had some ability but I stopped using it there. It didn't work out too bad though. After doing bit-jobs and stuff for a couple of years, I discovered that the year didn't affect my qualifications for a grant (life was easy back in the pinko-commie-socialist 1970s) so I went to university and did a philosophy degree. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.8&return_msg=42911.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42911.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42911_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_42911_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 1 Oct 2022 16:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Oct 2022 20:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 18</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.9">42911.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.1#a42911_8" target="_self">42911.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> My wife went to St Martins, but the Holborn building. <br /> <br /> I have the T-Solaris on a Criterion Blu-ray, it's really nice. I should watch it again, been ages!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.9&return_msg=42911.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42911.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42911_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_42911_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 1 Oct 2022 21:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Oct 2022 10:08"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 18</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.10">42911.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42911.1#a42911_9" target="_self">42911.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Holborn is after my time, I think. There was a separate building when I was there for the fashion school, but I have no idea where that was. I didn't think it was Holborn. What did she study?<br /> <br /> And yes, Mrs WilliamA gave me that Criterion bluray too.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42911.10&return_msg=42911.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42911.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42911.11" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>