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Tested different cables and computers, and came to the conclusion it's a faulty USB port/controller on the printer end. </p><p>It also has a network port so part of me wonders if I could extend its life by ordering whatever the cable is that allows direct 1-1 networking, assuming that would even work? (Could be a waste of time if the disconnect/reconnect issue is not actually at USB level.) </p><p>Anyhow, probably need a new device, and that's the main reason for this thread: I've got no idea and the research he's tried doing left him no closer to knowing what to get. </p><p>Primary uses are printing/copying documents and family photos. </p><p>So needs to... <br />* be reliable and straight-forward to use. <br />* be able to scan/copy/print (unless there's a compelling reason to get two distinct devices). <br />* work with Debian - which I think just means IPP support, and most/all have that these days? </p><p>The ability to print from SD card would be a nice feature (but seems to be one that's disappearing). </p><p>He had a recommendation of a Epson EcoTank (I forget the specific model) - can anyone backup or refute that? </p><p>Alternatively, any other thoughts on good/bad brands/models etc? </p><p>Thanks.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42872.1&return_msg=42872.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42872.1"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42872_2"></a><div class="message" id="message_42872_2"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 9 Jun 2022 19:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Jun 2022 20:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">2 of 21</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.2">42872.2</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.1#a42872_1" target="_self">42872.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Since he already has a working scanner/copier, just get a printer, a monochrome laser printer. Way more robust, reliable and economical than any inkjet you would care to name -- it's a technology, rather than a brand/model issue.<br /> <br /> I have an older Brother model (2170w) that works fine with ipp.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 9 Jun 2022 19:24 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42872.2&return_msg=42872.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42872.2"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42872_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_42872_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 9 Jun 2022 20:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Jun 2022 20:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3 of 21</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.3">42872.3</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.1#a42872_2" target="_self">42872.2</a></div> <div class="message_body"> mono laser might not be much cop for the family photo usage. Unless this network idea saves the original one, or sticking to sd card use. I agree a mono laser would be the most reliable thing to get.<br /> <br /> I dunno, I use a HP as well, pretty bog standard cheap one. It's "fine" I guess. Haven't even tried the USB as we connect on wifi to it. It's not really old enough to say if I can recommend it longterm. All printers are devil's peripherals anyway, hate the things.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42872.3&return_msg=42872.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42872.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42872_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_42872_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 9 Jun 2022 21:04</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jun 2022 10:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 21</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.4">42872.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.1#a42872_3" target="_self">42872.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah I've run inkjets photo printers for a number of years, both cheap 'office' models and high-end 'pro (both Epson and Canon), and they need a lot of upkeep. Maybe better to take/send out the photos, probably cheaper in the long run than the uber-expensive inks, and constant hassles to get them to work. Unless you are printing photos like every week, the colors will dry out and ruin the print heads. For document printing they straight-up suck. Don't even get me started on so-called multi-functions.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42872.4&return_msg=42872.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42872.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42872_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_42872_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 9 Jun 2022 21:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">5 of 21</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.5">42872.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I should clarify, I didn't test scanning but it's going to fail because the entire printer connection was dropping, so it'll not have time to receive the data. <p>I have previously raised the idea of getting photos done remotely, given how cheap and relatively fast the turnaround is, but I think he just wants to be able to do it then and there. </p><p>Anyhow, he's just emailed me with the following: </p><blockquote>Epsons are good for Photos But whilst photos are important i need it to be good and cheap at documents too. Ink and running cost. Speed . All are important <ul><li><a href="https://www.epson.co.uk/en_GB/products/printers/inkjet/consumer/ecotank-et-2850/p/30588">Epson EcoTank ET-2850 Wireless Inkjet Printer</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.hp.com/gb-en/shop/product.aspx?id=3YW75A&opt=BHC&sel=PRN">HP Smart Tank 559 Wireless Inkjet Printer</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.hp.com/gb-en/shop/product.aspx?id=Y0S18A&opt=A80&sel=DEF">HP OfficeJet Pro 7720 A3 Inkjet Printer</a> (expensive) </li><li><a href="https://www.hp.com/gb-en/shop/product.aspx?id=28B54A&opt=BHC&sel=PRN">HP SmartTank 7005 All-in-One Wireless Inkjet Printer</a> </li></ul> <p>I guess Wireless is the new way but USB as well would be good. </p><p>Are you able to let me know about compatibility with the ThinkPad as some rely on Apps etc HP seems to be quality but tends to be expensive , i've been looking at what Argos are supplying.</p></blockquote> <p>I agree on still preferring a physical connection, at least as an option, and definitely anything needing a mobile app to manage basic printer functionality is out. </p><p>I'm less fussed about up-front price - would rather pay a bit more for something that'll work better, but obviously don't want to be wasting money. </p><p>Also I'm guessing he didn't notice the third one being A3 - that's not needed, and possibly even wont fit.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42872.5&return_msg=42872.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42872.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42872_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_42872_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">10 Jun 2022 10:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jun 2022 15:55"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 21</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.6">42872.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.1#a42872_5" target="_self">42872.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Try these guys<br /> <a href="https://www.rtings.com/printer">https://www.rtings.com/printer</a><br /> <br /> I don't think you'll get much out of regular people, because who buys many printers to compare them?<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 10 Jun 2022 10:52 by MILKO</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42872.6&return_msg=42872.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42872.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42872_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_42872_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">10 Jun 2022 16:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jun 2022 16:37"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 21</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.7">42872.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.1#a42872_6" target="_self">42872.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, mainly wanted to confirm there were no "avoid X like the plague" type responses. <p>Also, thanks, that's an interesting review site - not just for printers.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42872.7&return_msg=42872.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42872.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42872_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_42872_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">11 Jun 2022 11:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">8 of 21</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.8">42872.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.1#a42872_7" target="_self">42872.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'll just repeat that inkjet anything is something to avoid like the plague that it is, unless you are producing high quality photo prints in quantity, and have the income(!) and technical chops(!) to do that. Obviously a multi-function device is not up to scratch in this case. <br /> <br /> I'm as guilty as anyone of ignoring sound technical advice for ... reasons. In a support role, I also tend to cave to users' cherished but non-optimal solutions, where I have no stake in the outcome -- with the caveat: if this goes tits-up, again, you're on your own.<br /> <br /> I'm just curious what the user has been doing with the device. Is the appeal based on familiarity, he already knows how to use it? Would a different, possibly better solution be too challenging? What's with the need to scan and copy -- does he have a small business, is he having to produce physical documentation for some legal reason, that he can't take to a post office or corner store photocopier? Could he instead (eg) make the copies with and print them directly from his phone? Pretty sure hp has an app for that.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42872.8&return_msg=42872.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42872.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42872_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_42872_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time">11 Jun 2022 17:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jun 2022 15:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 21</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.9">42872.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.1#a42872_1" target="_self">42872.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 1-1 networking <em>may </em>work if you can set a static IP on the printer and use a cross-over cable to connect it to your Dad's PC, but it doesn't look like <a href="http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00737614.pdf">it's officially supported</a> and you also need a separate installation CD (I'm sure you download it from HP or some archive somewhere) to configure it for network access instead of USB.<br /> <br /> Alternatively, a pair of Homeplug adapters to get it connected to router via mains wiring, assuming your Dad has Internet access and said Internet access includes a router of some sort?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42872.9&return_msg=42872.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42872.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42872_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_42872_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">12 Jun 2022 15:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jun 2022 15:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 21</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.10">42872.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42872.1#a42872_8" target="_self">42872.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The preference is a single device that does printing and scanning. Two devices are acceptable if they can fit in approximately the same amount of space. <p>* It MUST function when connected to a Debian-powered computer. <br />* Being able to print from SD card and/or USB drive is a bonus. <br />* It does not need to be usable from a mobile phone, and MUST NOT require one. </p><p>If there's a laser that can do colour documents and adequate quality photos, I'll happily look into it, but now that tank-based inkjets are becoming mainstream, lasers no longer appear to win on the economical front. </p><p>For £330, the <a href="https://www.rtings.com/printer/reviews/epson/ecotank-et-3850">Epson EcoTank ET-3850</a> has an estimated 7,885 black prints and 4,681 colour prints before needing refilling, at a cost of ~£63 for a full set of bottles. </p><p>For £535, the <a href="https://www.rtings.com/printer/reviews/hp/color-laserjet-pro-mfp-m479fdw">HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M479fdw</a> is the "Best Color Laser Printer", but can only produce 2,412 black and 2,169 color, with a full set of toners costing ~£352. </p><p>(The "<a href="https://www.rtings.com/printer/reviews/best/by-type/laser#recommendation_241132">Best High-Yield Laser Printer</a>" can do 9,577 black prints per toner cartridge, which only equals the 0.003 US$/print of the ET-3850.) </p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42872.10&return_msg=42872.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42872.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42872.11" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>