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While no fan of Don Trump personally, I really hated the fact that the country got working again, unemployment was the lowest in 50 years, the stock market was doing well pre-pandemic, and America got trade deals that made sense for America, instead of the lop-sided import-mostly deals we had before.<br /> <br /> Boy was that horrible.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.28&return_msg=42737.28" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">22 Jan 2021 14:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Jan 2021 17:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">29 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.29">42737.29</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.26">42737.26</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I admire your ruggedness. <span class="emoticon e_nod" title="(nod)"><span class="e__">(nod)</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.29&return_msg=42737.28" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">22 Jan 2021 15:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Jan 2021 23:26"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.30">42737.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.28#a42737_28" target="_self">42737.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> yeah, our lot can juke the unemployment stats with loads of non-jobs that leave people struggling in poverty too, it's great.<br /> <br /> For them, but not you or me or most people. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.30&return_msg=42737.28" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_31"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_31"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">22 Jan 2021 23:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 24 Jan 2021 17:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">31 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.31">42737.31</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.27">42737.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If you think I am a Communist, you clearly need to look up the definition. I am, however, Conservative; a registered Republican. I discovered a few years ago that the criticism of Liberals is misplaced. Liberals are not the problem, but Socialists and Communists are.<br /> <br /> You are mistaking my disdain for the lazy for an admiration of a dictatorship of the proletariat, which is false on the face of it. I believe in free markets, individual rights, freedom of religion... Read the Constitution and Bill of Rights - that's what I believe in. If that makes me a Communist, then the Forefathers were Communists, therefore you are a Communist, because some of the ideals our country was founded on came from the influences of England. I've always heard the English invented indiscretion, so they must have invented other things too (being so old and all that) , therefore must have invented Communism. I am part English, so I can say that. <span class="emoticon e_rabbit" title=":-B"><span class="e__">:-B</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.31&return_msg=42737.28" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.31"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_32"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_32"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">22 Jan 2021 23:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Jan 2021 21:42"></span></span> <span class="message_count">32 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.32">42737.32</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.28#a42737_30" target="_self">42737.30</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Were they juking the stats when Obama was POTUS?<br /> <br /> I get it: You hate Trump, America, Republicans, Conservatives, Methodists, Baptists... anything else?<br /> <br /> Let me ask you this: Is there anything about America that anybody actually likes? Why is is that every time there is an issue of any type with America, you folks here denigrate America to the nth degree?<br /> <br /> Why is it that you lot think you are so perfect and everybody else is wrong? Because you aren't - but shades of the elitist Lefties over here.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 22 Jan 2021 23:36 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.32&return_msg=42737.28" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.32"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_33"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_33"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">23 Jan 2021 13:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Jan 2021 01:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">33 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.33">42737.33</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.28#a42737_31" target="_self">42737.31</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I thought liberals are communists <em>and</em> socialists?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.33&return_msg=42737.28" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.33"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_34"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_34"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">23 Jan 2021 21:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Jan 2021 01:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">34 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.34">42737.34</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.28#a42737_32" target="_self">42737.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yes, they were doing the same with the stats under Obama. Probably before too, although the likes of Uber and many others started around then I’d guess. <br /> <br /> Did you notice I said we’ve the same problems here? It seems not. <br /> <br /> here’s what I like about the USA: the landscape, the vast differences, pretty much all the people I’ve met there and abroad on a individual level... I’d have to sit for a good while longer than I feel like doing to list it all out. I don’t really care what religion somebody has so long as they don’t try to tell others how to live, it is a bit of a shame that fundamentalist christians often do that, same as its a shame when fundamentalist anythings do. People talk about American failings because they affect the rest of the world too, way more than for example our shitty Brexit thing which must be amusing to everywhere but won’t likely do them much damage. <br /> <br /> I think Obama was a tragically missed opportunity to do a lot better, plenty of shit happened under his watch. Far too much appeasing Republicans there, plus more drones, blah blah. <br /> <br /> what always startles me is how Conservatives who aren’t rich businessmen seem to have a complete blind spot on how many Conservative policies and politicians work to keep them down. But any suggestion of doing something to make that better causes an angry reaction about elites and communists. It’s fucking weird! Far from my area of expertise so I can’t really begin to explain it. You have really shitty healthcare that costs you more for worse outcomes, but fight so very hard to stop anybody fixing it! <br /> <br /> anyway, good luck. This topic seems to be making you a lot angrier than anybody else so I don’t really want to yank your chain, peace!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.34&return_msg=42737.28" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.34"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_35"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_35"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">24 Jan 2021 15:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Jan 2021 14:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">35 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.35">42737.35</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.28#a42737_34" target="_self">42737.34</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">the likes of Uber and many others</div> <p><br /> "sharing economy" -- the cruellest joke of predatory capitalism.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.35&return_msg=42737.28" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.35"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_36"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_36"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">24 Jan 2021 17:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Jan 2021 01:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">36 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.36">42737.36</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.28#a42737_31" target="_self">42737.31</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Bless you fixrman, you sweet little thing. For a troll, you're shit at recognising trolling.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.36&return_msg=42737.28" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.36"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42737_37"></a><div class="message" id="message_42737_37"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">25 Jan 2021 01:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Jan 2021 10:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">37 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.37">42737.37</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42737.28#a42737_33" target="_self">42737.33</a></div> <div class="message_body"> My cousin and her husband came here to Pennsylvania a while back with an international job he had. As usual, eventually topics came around to politics, and he explained to me that only in America is "Liberal" a dirty word. Well, we've been sort of conditioned here to believe that, but with research, I discovered he was right. True Liberals are not the problem, but here in America, most people have come to accept that Liberals are Socialists and Communists, but that is not necessarily true, just like America is not a democracy.<br /> <br /> Most Americans, quite frankly, are pretty ignorant to most of the operations of the three branches of government, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and have forgotten or never learned much of our history, Fortunately for me, I had a great teacher in 12th grade who taught American Political Systems/Current Urban Problems. I would doubt that anything like that is even taught any more, but it should be.<br /> <br /> To my way of thinking, Liberals and Conservatives should not be enemies of each other, because both principles were important in determining our system of government. along with best principles of English law and other borrowed political systems.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I thought liberals are communists <em>and</em> socialists?</div> Who told you that, Rush Limbaugh? I'm not even sure he believes that, but it apparently makes him successful on the EIB Network to say so.<br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42737.37&return_msg=42737.28" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42737.37"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42737.38" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>