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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.0&return_msg=42677.1"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.11">11–16</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42677.1">Mobile with five row qwerty hardware keyboard</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42677_1_16_10"> <a name="a42677_1"></a><div class="message" id="message_42677_1"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">14 Sep 2020 14:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">1 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1">42677.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <span class="emoticon e_partyblower" title=":-O~~~"><span class="e__">:-O~~~</span></span> <span class="emoticon e_bounce" title="(bounce)"><span class="e__">(bounce)</span></span> <span class="emoticon e_woot" title="(woot)"><span class="e__">(woot)</span></span> <span class="emoticon e_cheering" title="(cheer)"><span class="e__">(cheer)</span></span> <span class="emoticon e_dance" title="(dance)"><span class="e__">(dance)</span></span> <span class="emoticon e_grin" title=":D"><span class="e__">:D</span></span> <p><a href="https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/devices">https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/devices</a> </p><p>I'd lost hope of ever finding a modern mobile with a keyboard. </p><p>Then I discover these <em>and</em> they can run full GNU/Linux too. </p><p>\o/</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.1&return_msg=42677.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42677.1"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42677_2"></a><div class="message" id="message_42677_2"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">14 Sep 2020 15:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Sep 2020 16:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">2 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.2">42677.2</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1#a42677_1" target="_self">42677.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> hooray! I am genuinely happy for you. Got no interest in having one of these at all though. Which one will you get? They look a fair way behind the 'current' Android version for whatever that's worth.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.2&return_msg=42677.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42677.2"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42677_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_42677_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">14 Sep 2020 15:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Sep 2020 16:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.3">42677.3</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1#a42677_1" target="_self">42677.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Been using <a href="https://github.com/klausw/hackerskeyboard">Hacker's Keyboard</a> since forever.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.3&return_msg=42677.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42677.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42677_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_42677_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">14 Sep 2020 16:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 14 Sep 2020 16:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.4">42677.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1#a42677_2" target="_self">42677.2</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm not fussed by Android version since I don't intend to be running it. <p>I need to investigate how close the "planned support" for non-Android OSes is for the most recent device (Cosmo), but I'm also wondering whether a wifi-only Gemini will actually do everything I need. </p><p>And I really want to figure that all out right now and order already, but I need to be disciplined and get on with other things at the moment. <span class="emoticon e_tear_confused" title=":'S"><span class="e__">:'S</span></span></p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.4&return_msg=42677.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42677.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42677_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_42677_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">15 Sep 2020 17:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 15 Sep 2020 21:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.5">42677.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1#a42677_1" target="_self">42677.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What device have you been using lately for this sort of stuff?<br /> <br /> What use is GNU/Linux on that sort of device?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.5&return_msg=42677.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42677.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42677_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_42677_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">15 Sep 2020 22:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 15 Sep 2020 23:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.6">42677.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1#a42677_5" target="_self">42677.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <i>> What device have you been using lately for this sort of stuff?</i> <p>What sort of stuff? </p><p>My smallest screen and keyboard combo is the Thinkpad x201 which is five times heavier and nine times larger. </p><p>Not being Guybrush Threepwood means I can't carry it in my pocket. </p><p><br /> </p><p><i>> What use is GNU/Linux on that sort of device?</i> </p><p>What use is running a full OS instead of only half of one... ? </p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.6&return_msg=42677.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42677.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42677_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_42677_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">15 Sep 2020 23:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2020 14:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.7">42677.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1#a42677_6" target="_self">42677.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Sorry, I should have been more specific.<br /> <br /> Do you have a smartphone? If so, which phone? If not, when was the last time you did, and what model?<br /> <br /> What use is running an OS that isn't well designed for a device with such a form factor?<br /> I would expect it to be a real pain to use and quite unproductive, and for someone with your specific requirements of functionality, I doubt it would meet them.<br /> <br /> Considering you've waited so long for a suitable device, I imagine you'll be waiting for just as long to find an OS that meets your requirements. Is Sailfish daily driver ready?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.7&return_msg=42677.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42677.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42677_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_42677_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2020 14:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2020 14:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.8">42677.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1#a42677_7" target="_self">42677.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I have a OnePlus 2. <p><br /> </p><p><i>> What use is running an OS that isn't well designed for a device with such a form factor?</i> </p><p><span class="emoticon e_questioned" title=":?"><span class="e__">:?</span></span> </p><p>Debian doesn't care about the hardware size/shape/layout, nor a 2:1 screen resolution. </p><p>Sailfish is specifically advertised by Jolla as being supported on the Gemini PDA. </p><p><br /> </p><p><i>> Considering you've waited so long for a suitable device, I imagine you'll be waiting for <br />> just as long to find an OS that meets your requirements. Is Sailfish daily driver ready?</i> </p><p>The roots of Sailfish go back fifteen years - three years before Android - why wouldn't it be ready? </p><p>I have yet to decide whether I'd be running Sailfish or Debian.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.8&return_msg=42677.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42677.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42677_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_42677_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2020 14:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2020 15:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.9">42677.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1#a42677_8" target="_self">42677.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Debian doesn't care, but the programs are generally developed for a laptop or desktop sized screen. Let's say 10" and above. My guess is UI and UX will not be smooth or really all that usable. Touchscreen for a PC-like UI on a screen that small? Can't imagine it would be nice.<br /> <br /> I'd honestly love it to be fantastic, it would be great to see. But I think it being a "Just Works" device is unlikely.<br /> <br /> And on Sailfish, length of development time is slightly irrelevant. If there's not many people using it then it's unlikely to progress and improve. I realise mass market OSes are dumbed down somewhat, but I doubt a no market OS will be so great. <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 17 Sep 2020 14:52 by ANT_THOMAS</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.9&return_msg=42677.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42677.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42677_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_42677_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2020 16:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2020 17:02"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 16</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.10">42677.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42677.1#a42677_9" target="_self">42677.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It feels like you're inventing problems based on misconceptions about what you think I want. <p>I would get one of these devices <em>even without touchscreen functionality</em>. </p><p>Anything that doesn't work close enough to the way I want, I'll replace and/or fix.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42677.10&return_msg=42677.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42677.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42677.11" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>