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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.0&return_msg=42608.126"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.101">101–110</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.111">111–120</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.121">121–130</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.131">131–140</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.181">181–183</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42608.126">What are we all doing for a living?</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42608_126_183_10"> <a name="a42608_126"></a><div class="message" id="message_42608_126"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">21 Aug 2020 18:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Aug 2020 08:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">126 of 183</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.126">42608.126</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.125">42608.125</a></div> <div class="message_body"> There's definitely a balance to be found. One of the issues I face (or maybe it's in my head) is that because I work at a factory there's been quite a few people in the office/management team who have remained on site as they're more "operational" and they can't exactly do their jobs at home, but their presence on site gives off the feeling that they're risking more for the business (and was seen via a bonus for on-site workers a few months ago....). I'd say I could do all my on site stuff in a day a week.<br /> <br /> There's also been a decent amount of recruitment during this period across other departments, all of which are on site. Not being able to actually see and speak to these new people face-to-face for the first time isn't too great.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.126&return_msg=42608.126" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42608.126"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42608_127"></a><div class="message" id="message_42608_127"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 Aug 2020 20:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Aug 2020 07:08"></span></span> <span class="message_count">127 of 183</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.127">42608.127</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.122">42608.122</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I started going in two days a week, mainly for some hardware upgrades, but also doing some dev stuff.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.127&return_msg=42608.126" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42608.127"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42608_128"></a><div class="message" id="message_42608_128"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">23 Aug 2020 12:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Aug 2020 12:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">128 of 183</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.128">42608.128</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.122">42608.122</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I won't be back this year I don't think. Doesn't bother me much if I'm honest as I was WFH before, albeit with odd office trips now and again. My company's approach though is that people should only go into the office if they have problems working from home (kids, lack of space, that kind of thing). Given I've got a dedicated man-cave with three monitors, I don't think that'll apply to me <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.128&return_msg=42608.126" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42608.128"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42608_129"></a><div class="message" id="message_42608_129"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">25 Aug 2020 10:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Aug 2020 14:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">129 of 183</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.129">42608.129</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.122">42608.122</a></div> <div class="message_body"> We're under a fair bit of pressure to get everyone* back in the office ASAP. We're resisting and currently am doing 2 days in, 3 days at home. <br /> <br /> The 2 days in the office is really weird, but definitely helpful for mental health if nothing else. Now the kids are back at school it's really odd being in the house alone all day. <br /> <br /> my boss wan'ts to 'promote' me but he's since revealed there's essentially zero budget for pay raise or whatever (unsurprising seeing as we've been making a loss for years and are permanently on the verge of going under...), so might push for an official WFH half the week as a compromise. I have better IT facilties and a much nicer working environment at home than at work, and the saving on fuel would effectively be a pay raise in itself. We'll see though!<br /> <br /> Sort of expecting a second lockdown in Scotland in about a month anyway, case numbers are going up fast and suspect the local lockdowns are going to start merging into one soon.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.129&return_msg=42608.126" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42608.129"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42608_130"></a><div class="message" id="message_42608_130"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">25 Aug 2020 15:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Aug 2020 18:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">130 of 183</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.130">42608.130</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.126#a42608_129" target="_self">42608.129</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Decided I'm gonna go back in next Thursday to get my office sorted. Then likely each Wednesday after that. Going to be in a different office to when I started WFH in March, which is a good thing, actually my office before we did a big office move late last year. Less people around and less distractions.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.130&return_msg=42608.126" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42608.130"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42608_131"></a><div class="message" id="message_42608_131"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Mr (M00RL0CK)<span class="message_time"> 1 Sep 2020 09:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Sep 2020 10:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">131 of 183</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.131">42608.131</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.122">42608.122</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm still working from home, recording lectures, delivering shiz remotely. Don't think that will change too soon.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.131&return_msg=42608.126" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42608.131"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42608_132"></a><div class="message" id="message_42608_132"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 1 Sep 2020 10:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Mr (M00RL0CK) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Sep 2020 09:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">132 of 183</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.132">42608.132</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.126#a42608_131" target="_self">42608.131</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hello Greg.<br /> <br /> How's this work for freshers?<br /> Are many starting uni from home? Or moving into halls/wherever and attending minimal lectures?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.132&return_msg=42608.126" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42608.132"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42608_133"></a><div class="message" id="message_42608_133"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Mr (M00RL0CK)<span class="message_time"> 2 Sep 2020 09:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Sep 2020 11:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">133 of 183</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.133">42608.133</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.126#a42608_132" target="_self">42608.132</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It differs a bit depending upon what type of students they are, but there is a general expectation that students will move into halls and have some face-to-face teaching during the first term. Face-to-face teaching is obviously a headache now, as big lectures are a no-no. For intro week, we're having 25% of the cohort in on each of 4 days. Rooms that would previously hold 18 students for group work now hold 4. So sessions are going to be repeated multiple times. Teaching will be done pretty safely, I reckon, and I suspect that the risks arise more from just having the students on campus/in halls.<br /> <br /> The MASSIVE ELEPHANT in the room is that I think we all know what the outcomes of this will be. We can pretend that freshers will socially distance and be 'responsible' within various bubbles, but I think that reality will hit home at some point. My real concern isn't so much for the freshers, the majority of whom will probably not suffer dramatic consequences. My concern is about what happens when we reach the point in the first term where everyone decides to go home for the weekend (usually around week 5, I reckon). Coinciding with declining temperatures and the predicted start of a real second wave.<br /> <br /> Because of who I teach (med students), there are particular reasons to maintain 'business as usual' where possible, so I can understand why my department is taking its approach. Other departments, I'm not sure that the justifications are quite the same. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.133&return_msg=42608.126" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42608.133"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42608_134"></a><div class="message" id="message_42608_134"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 2 Sep 2020 11:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Mr (M00RL0CK) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Sep 2020 11:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">134 of 183</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.134">42608.134</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.126#a42608_133" target="_self">42608.133</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I do feel sorry for the freshers missing out on starting first year, freshers week etc. Just absolutely not the same. Though I imagine they'll all go for it with double intensity next September if things are back to normal.<br /> <br /> Reading week when everyone heads home asymptomatic and the spread happens. Students blamed for big local Covid spikes, looking forward to the headlines.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.134&return_msg=42608.126" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42608.134"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42608_135"></a><div class="message" id="message_42608_135"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Mr (M00RL0CK)<span class="message_time"> 2 Sep 2020 14:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Sep 2020 17:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">135 of 183</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.135">42608.135</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42608.126#a42608_134" target="_self">42608.134</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I agree. There was a lot of emphasis post-results of 'we look forward to welcoming you to campus', but the campus experience will not be the same. (I also don't think they get the same experience educationally, either, but that's another matter...) If I were a student, and I had something vaguely decent to do for a year and had the resources to do so, I'd have deferred. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42608.135&return_msg=42608.126" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42608.135"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42608.136" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>