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I recently got a Ryzen 5 3600 with a motherboard for £263 from ADW-IT (never heard of them before but PC Part Picker said they were the cheapest) and picked up 16GB of 3600Mhz RAM from Amazon. It's amazing. 6 cores, so handles running a VM, Photoshop, IntelliJ and other stuff at the same time easily, and for games it's only slightly slower than much more expensive Intel systems.<br /> <br /> Nvidia are still great for their GPUs, especially the top end, but probably more expensive than AMD. Although, something like a GTX 1660 is great for the price, but no ray tracing, if you're into that sort of thing. I got a 2070 Super because my VR headset requires lots of pixel pushing.<br /> <br /> The only thing that isn't as good as my old 2500K is the stock AMD Wraith Stealth cooler. It's definitely on the loud side, so I decided to swap it for something better.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42538.6&return_msg=42538.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42538.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42538_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_42538_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Jan 2020 20:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Chris (CHRISSS) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Jan 2020 20:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 89</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.7">42538.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.5#a42538_6" target="_self">42538.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What motherboard?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42538.7&return_msg=42538.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42538.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42538_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_42538_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time">16 Jan 2020 20:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Jan 2020 20:13"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 89</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.8">42538.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.5#a42538_7" target="_self">42538.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX. I did order the non-MAX which was £5 less, but they sent me a MAX, which was nice. The MAX has Zen 2 compatibility out of the box, whereas the other one requires a BIOS update to support it, which you can do from a flash drive without needing a CPU in the board.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42538.8&return_msg=42538.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42538.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42538_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_42538_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Jan 2020 20:20</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Chris (CHRISSS) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Jan 2020 20:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 89</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.9">42538.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.5#a42538_8" target="_self">42538.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've had a couple of MSI boards, they're pretty solid & well-supported.<br /> <br /> Oh wow, that's a full atx board, haven't had one of those since I was running NT4 on an original Athlon in a humongous tower case with 7 drive bays.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 16 Jan 2020 20:24 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42538.9&return_msg=42538.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42538.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42538_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_42538_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time">16 Jan 2020 20:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Jan 2020 20:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 89</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.10">42538.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.5#a42538_9" target="_self">42538.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's a decent board. Not the brand spanking new chipset but it handles the new CPUs just fine. The only issue I have with it is the graphical BIOS goes weird if I select UEFI mode, so I have to leave it in compatibility mode.<br /> <br /> I'm still using a full tower case from 12 years ago. Do you have a mini one? Lots of nice mini ITX systems out there now.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42538.10&return_msg=42538.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42538.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42538_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_42538_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Jan 2020 20:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Chris (CHRISSS) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Jan 2020 20:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 89</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.11">42538.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.5#a42538_10" target="_self">42538.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Nah I stuck an mATX budget board into an old mid-tower. It's bigger than my previous build case, which is good because it's much less prone to overheating. Also the build was way easier with lots of room.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 16 Jan 2020 20:33 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42538.11&return_msg=42538.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42538.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42538_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_42538_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">17 Jan 2020 00:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Jan 2020 10:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 89</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.12">42538.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.1">42538.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, it's funny the way that Intel was great and a few companies like Cyrix and AMD produced budget copies then AMD was the best for ages then Intel for even longer and now AMD seem to have taken the lead with their Ryzens and Threadrippers and 7 nano-metre technology and 64 core CPUs.<br /> <br /> I think if I was building a new computer now, I'd follow Chris and go down the AMD path.<br /> <br /> For drives, certainly the system drive, you definitely want an M.2 NVME drive rather than SATA SSD. They're up to 7 times faster and getting faster and cheaper all the time. Most modern boards support this anyway. <br /> <br /> Personally, I would include an optical drive but that's mainly because I do a lot of ripping for my Plex and music libraries. <br /> <br /> Also, what Peter said about Ebuyer and Scan and Quiet PC. I've also bought stuff from them without a problem. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42538.12&return_msg=42538.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42538.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42538_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_42538_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">17 Jan 2020 11:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">13 of 89</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.13">42538.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Thanks all, lots to start looking at now. I'll definitely take a look at the NVME SSD drives - putting a SATA SSD in my current system was one of the best things I ever did. I'll be taking the approach of having a moderately sizeable SSD for the OS and whatever games I'm currently playing, and a traditional drive for media storage - possibly my existing one (think it's 2Tb and where near full) for starters, using the money I save for MOAR MEMORY.<br /> <br /> Sounds like it's easier to get a case without an optical drive slot and go USB there.<br /> <br /> Cooling and stuff - is that still a big deal? Fans still, yeah? Water cooling never quite managed to hit the mainstream, right?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42538.13&return_msg=42538.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42538.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42538_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_42538_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">17 Jan 2020 12:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Jan 2020 13:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 89</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.14">42538.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42538.5#a42538_13" target="_self">42538.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I recently put a 512GB NVME drive in my laptop (ADATA SX8200PNP) which was under £60. It wasn't the big change that swapping a SATA HDD for an SSD was a while back, but it is generally snappier and seeing as that price is comparable to a 512GB SATA SSD of similar quality...<br /> <br /> As for water cooling: I have <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009VV56TY?ref_=pe_3187911_248764861_302_E_DDE_dt_1">this</a> in two separate PCs. Easy to fit and very effective. I put one in my main Plex and backup PC which runs 24x7. It uses an elderly i7 860 in a relatively small case along with 6 drives. There isn't room for a big air cooler and it was idling around 50C and regularly getting up to 80C. That's within spec but I wasn't comfortable having that in an unattended PC. With the water cooling, it idles around 28C and seldom goes above 40C. <br /> <br /> My main desktop was worse. I put a great big Gelid heatsink/fan thing onto its i5 4690K and didn't really think about temperatures which was scary, because I just happened to check when I was doing some video transcoding and found that all the cores were getting within a couple of degrees of 100C. With the Corsair thingy, temperatures now get to about 55C maximum.<br /> <br /> The pump and case fan aren't silent, but they're pretty good.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42538.14&return_msg=42538.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42538.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42538.15" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>