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And obviously on the right, along with Islamophobia and every other form of racism, but they're the right and it's no surprise. But yeah, she's a complete idiot. That t-shirt was totally unnecessary. I've kinda ignored all that stuff for a while but that was front and centre of the timeline.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately people don't look at policy and concentrate on personality. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.7&return_msg=42505.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">21 Nov 2019 20:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Nov 2019 20:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.8">42505.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.6#a42505_6" target="_self">42505.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The LDs have explicitly said they’d support the Tories in this scenario. Unless they’re gonna change their mind.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.8&return_msg=42505.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 Nov 2019 20:49</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 15:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.9">42505.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.6#a42505_8" target="_self">42505.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's because they are Tories.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.9&return_msg=42505.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 Nov 2019 20:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Nov 2019 22:16"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.10">42505.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.6#a42505_7" target="_self">42505.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">they're the right and it's no surprise</div> <p><br /> On the left it's usually in the form of the odd senile loose cannon Palestine enthusiast spouting off, getting shouted down and turfed out. On the right they're rabid, dangerous, global, and well-organized.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.10&return_msg=42505.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 09:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 15:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.11">42505.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.1">42505.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's all a bit of a technicality because, short of footage emerging of Johnson fucking a kitten, the Tories are going to romp home. To a considerable extent Labour has only itself to blame for adopting Murphy & Milne's mad Destructive Vagueness policy, which has left a pervasive impression that they're weak on Brexit.<br /> <br /> I'll vote Labour because it's a two horse race in Keighley which has, until the last election, been a bellwether constituency. I'm a member of the Green party, but they're not fielding a candidate. Even if they had, I'd probably have voted tactically anyway.<br /> <br /> I am, however, perpetually incensed at the spurious Coke or Pepsi choice imposed on me by the Tory/Labour cartel. I hate having to vote for a party I don't believe in, or throw it away. In a real democracy, every vote cast would contribute to the complexion of government. The only European nations with no element of proportional representation in their electoral system are the UK and fucking Belarus.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 22 Nov 2019 09:51 by MANTHORP</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.11&return_msg=42505.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 12:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 15:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.12">42505.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.1">42505.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I recognise loads of similar thoughts and worries in all that, Mr F. <br /> <br /> No, I don't think the Conservative Party is redeemable. It may change with the passage of time into something less malevolent, but that's not redemption. The single most dangerous recent change to my mind has been the arrival of Johnson as PM because he's brought the "flameproof" thing with him - what people mean when they say his badness is "baked in" or "expected" so that it's ignored as normal. What we see is lying, cheating, ruthless betrayal, contempt in every aspect of his life. When Jo and Joan Public are interviewed in the street, they describe him as "a bit of a naughty boy". What he's done, though, in concert with his private organisation under Cummings, is neutralise every voice in the parliamentary party that might oppose him. At local party level, something even less appealing has happened with an influx of radical right-wingers who now feel far more at home.<br /> <br /> In fact, everything that's happened: the expulsion of detractors, the takeover of local constituencies, the destruction of the party mechanisms that used to ensure stability, is exactly what the Tory-supporting press has accused the Labour party of doing.<br /> <br /> And there's a growing confidence across the media. It's now OK to lie quite brazenly. When you have fellow-travellers and useful idiots like Laura Kuenssberg reporting every leak and whisper from Conservative Head Office as the absolute truth, it's no surprise that the narrative is firmly controlled by the Tory right.<br /> <br /> I would love to see the Labour Manifesto given a chance. It's being described as breathtakingly radical by our right-wing press for the UK to invest around the same percentage of its GDP as almost every modern European nation. I don't suppose many people realised (or will ever realise for that matter) just how astonishingly low our level of public investment is (which isn't surprising since the OFFICIAL narrative is that we are bleeding those poor billionaires dry and pouring vast sums of cash into offering sex-change operations in infant schools). As for nationalisation - I'd like even more change. I'd like to see that religious tenet of the political right swept away - that a publicly owned business may not compete. There's no such prejudice in other economies and it's why 80% of our so-called privately run utilities and services are actually run by the state-owned utilities of other fucking countries. It's why THAT MODEL STATE OF CAPITALISM the US of A still has a Federal Postal Service! And don't bring up the all-too-brief but amazing success of East Coast Mainline when it was in public ownership after the dismal failure(s) of Virgin, Stagecoach and the rest. The official line is that it favoured donkey carts over trains, all journeys were 60 minutes late by law and it was systemically inefficient - just like when the GPO ran the telephone service.<br /> <br /> Going to stop writing now as it's all too depressing. And don't get my started on Jo Swinson.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.12&return_msg=42505.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.12"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 12:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 12:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.13">42505.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.6#a42505_12" target="_self">42505.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> But more important, with Christmas approaching and in TYPICAL BLOODY CHAMPAGNE SOCIALIST stylee, the Louis Delauney Champagne in Tesco is bloody good value at £14 and with their current special offer at 25% off if you buy 6 bottles that comes down to £10.50. So get yourself down to Tesco and celebrate the Labour Manifesto before the offer ends on 2 December.<br /> <br /> PS offer applies to all wines in units of 6 bottles. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.13&return_msg=42505.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 14:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">14 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.14">42505.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I don't know how to read Corbyn as the leader of a major political party. He seems affable, very intelligent and well-informed, and consistent in his views over many decades. That's on the plus side.<br /> <br /> His laid-back, 'walking dead' absent-minded professor campaign style just has me completely baffled.<br /> <br /> If the polls are to be believed, it's not gone down well with the public (allowing for external factors of extreme media/establishment hostility, the ceaseless character assassination, even from within his party).<br /> <br /> I've seen similar before, here in Canada: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Liberal_leadership_bid_by_St%C3%A9phane_Dion">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Liberal_leadership_bid_by_St%C3%A9phane_Dion</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.14&return_msg=42505.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">22 Nov 2019 15:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Nov 2019 15:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.15">42505.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.1">42505.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Seems accurate.<br /> <br /> SNP for me. I realised Scottish Labour were rotten to the core when I had to share an office building with them in 2009ish. They're absolutely toxic up here now, though for a variety of reasons. <br /> <br /> Really hoping for a Lab/SNP coalition at Westminster, but I'm not quite sure I can see it happening unless there is some serious backlash against the Tories for all the shitty tricks they've already trotted out in this campaign (the edited video, the 'FactcheckUK' bollocks, and registering www.labourmanifesto.com and paying for google ads to promote to the top of searches for Labour stuff, to name but 3).<br /> <br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.15&return_msg=42505.6" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42505.16" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>