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Imagine all those experiments gone wrong with Poitín.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.32&return_msg=42505.31" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.32"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_33"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_33"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 9 Dec 2019 20:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">33 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.33">42505.33</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Boy on floor gaffe = hung parliament territory?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.33&return_msg=42505.31" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.33"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_34"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_34"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 9 Dec 2019 21:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Dec 2019 01:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">34 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.34">42505.34</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.31#a42505_33" target="_self">42505.33</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Nope. Tory majority still. No one gives a fuck unfortunately. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.34&return_msg=42505.31" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.34"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_35"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_35"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">10 Dec 2019 09:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Dec 2019 13:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">35 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.35">42505.35</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.31#a42505_33" target="_self">42505.33</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I agree with Ant, unfortunately. The Tories won some time ago by pressing home the myth that they will make Brexit go away. Labour's more rational approach hasn't the same strength.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.35&return_msg=42505.31" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.35"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_36"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_36"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">10 Dec 2019 13:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Dec 2019 08:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">36 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.36">42505.36</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.31#a42505_35" target="_self">42505.35</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The media pile-on hasn't helped, has it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.36&return_msg=42505.31" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.36"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_37"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_37"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time">10 Dec 2019 18:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Dec 2019 19:08"></span></span> <span class="message_count">37 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.37">42505.37</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.31#a42505_34" target="_self">42505.34</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not that they only don't give a fuck, they are also claiming it is <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/10/woman-says-account-hacked-to-post-fake-story-about-hospital-boy">fake</a> despite the hospital already apologising for the mistreatment of the boy.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.37&return_msg=42505.31" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.37"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_38"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_38"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">10 Dec 2019 18:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Dec 2019 19:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">38 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.38">42505.38</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.31#a42505_36" target="_self">42505.36</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The media pile-on has to be experienced to be believed. BBC News has given up all pretence of impartiality (although obviously they do actually <em>pretend</em> to be impartial) and whenever possible they lead on almost unchallenged anti-labour stories. Often these are padded out with a piece-to-camera by Laura Kuenssberg whose journalism consists mainly of incisive statements such as 'there is no doubt that...' followed by some contentious claim that Corbyn is, for instance, a liability to Labour's electoral chances. Her evidence is commonly that 'this is what one hears on the doorsteps...' which meaningless anecdotal evidence is exactly what Tory politicians have told her - or she has cleverly thought up with her own brain. This is an almost verbatim account of what she said on the BBC prime 6 o'clock news today.<br /> <br /> It's why I prefer alternative news sources in the UK. Channel 4 is a commercial channel but was established with public funding and has a charter that includes due-impartiality in news reportage. It is far better than the BBC but has recently been threatened by the Tory Party. They held a leaders debate on the environment that Johnson and Farage wouldn't attend. Channel 4 empty-seated them with melting ice-sculptures. I even prefer sources like Sky News, because at least they aren't pretending to be even handed. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.38&return_msg=42505.31" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.38"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_39"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_39"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">10 Dec 2019 20:20</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Dec 2019 18:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">39 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.39">42505.39</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.31#a42505_37" target="_self">42505.37</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <a href="https://bylinetimes.com/2019/12/10/trolls-sock-puppets-and-useful-idiots-an-anatomy-of-an-election-disinformation-campaign/">https://bylinetimes.com/2019/12/10/trolls-sock-puppets-and-useful-idiots-an-anatomy-of-an-election-disinformation-campaign/</a><br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">The failure to realise that hiding your face does not make you invisible, or that stealing a reporter’s phone does not make the report go away, suggests that – under pressure – the leader of the Conservative Party has the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41jSdOQQpv0">social cognitive abilities of a four-year-old</a>.</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.39&return_msg=42505.31" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.39"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42505_40"></a><div class="message" id="message_42505_40"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">10 Dec 2019 22:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Dec 2019 13:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">40 of 94</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.40">42505.40</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42505.31#a42505_39" target="_self">42505.39</a></div> <div class="message_body"> And the sad thing is that it probably won't make a damn bit of difference. (Nice article btw).<br /> <br /> Stupidity, lies, dirty tricks and exploitation have been the mechanics of power since forever, but the management of this has been a particular skill of the Labour party in the C20th and C21st starting with Jim Callaghan and finding its champion in Neil Kinnock. Whether things would have changed with John Smith is a moot point, but they certainly didn't with Tony Blair. I'm afraid it's quite understandable if Boris Johnson follows the parallel evolution of Trumpism. It's too depressing to think about. <br /> <br /> If you ever want to find out about how Kinnock set about stamping out any success left wing politics might have had in modern government in the UK, try Googling Lol Duffy and the tragedy that ended with Angela Eagle becoming a high flyer in the party.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42505.40&return_msg=42505.31" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42505.40"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42505.41" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>