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On the few occasions I did have sleeves (prior to following this advice), they seemed to wear out 2-3x faster than balls.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.69&return_msg=42301.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.69"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_70"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_70"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">11 Apr 2019 16:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Apr 2019 16:26"></span></span> <span class="message_count">70 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.70">42301.70</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.69#a42301_69" target="_self">42301.69</a></div> <div class="message_body"> True that. However, leaving aside my fun with this cooler, balls are usually noisier.<br /><br /> Well, well, well. This is turning into the project that goes on giving and reminding me why I gave up building PCs. So, I took the fan off and cleaned off the thermal paste. Then I turned to the CPU and started to clean that too. Little bit of paste down the side, so rather than poke it further in with my tissue, I decided to pop the CPU out to be on the safe side. I never really looked hard at the socket, but blow me down if there aren't half a dozen bent pins - some really bent ones. I'm somebody who inserts a CPU as if I was nursing a lump of C4 wrapped in hot nitoglycerine, so I'm damn sure I didn't bend them. Everything booted OK so now I'm wondering whether to bother with a repair. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.70&return_msg=42301.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.70"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_71"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_71"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">11 Apr 2019 21:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Apr 2019 21:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">71 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.71">42301.71</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.62">42301.62</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Just as an example of what I often get with USB 3.0.<br /> This is going... <ul><li>MicroSD card (decent V30 standard)</li> <li>Cheapo USB 3.0 card reader</li> <li>PC - Win10</li> <li>Gigabit Ethernet</li> <li>Server - Ubuntu 14.04</li> <li>6TB drive USB 3.0</li> </ul> Transferring some 4GB files straight from the card to the network drive.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="https://www.tehforum.co.uk/forum/get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=04d14271681f264bf6bf9afc058c0cda&filename=usb3_transfer.png" style="width:449px;height:287px;" /><br /><br /> Obviously for what you want internal is the right option, but for when appearance/space isn't so much of an issue they easily compete with internal drives these days. Which is nice since many externals are sold cheaper for some reason.</div> <div class="message_attachments"> <span>Attachments:</span> <ul> <li><span class="image attach"></span><a href="get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=04d14271681f264bf6bf9afc058c0cda&filename=usb3_transfer.png" target="_blank">usb3_transfer.png</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.71&return_msg=42301.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.71"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_72"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_72"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">11 Apr 2019 21:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 11 Apr 2019 21:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">72 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.72">42301.72</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.69#a42301_71" target="_self">42301.71</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Precious little difference between that and hdd to hdd over ethernet. In fact it's as good as I see ssd to ssd over ethernet (sata). <br /><br /> Maybe my usb3 card, circa 4 years old, isn't as good as I thought it was.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.72&return_msg=42301.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.72"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_73"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_73"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">12 Apr 2019 16:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Apr 2019 16:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">73 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.73">42301.73</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.69#a42301_72" target="_self">42301.72</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Straightened out all the bent CPU socket pins. Ran Intel processor diagnostics a bit. All works. Scary stuff.</div> <div class="message_attachments"> <span>Attachments:</span> <ul> <li><span class="image attach"></span><a href="get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=a94166f546a087b19001f8ef6bb5fc25&filename=bent pins.jpg" target="_blank">bent pins.jpg</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.73&return_msg=42301.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.73"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_74"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_74"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">12 Apr 2019 21:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Apr 2019 22:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">74 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.74">42301.74</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.69#a42301_73" target="_self">42301.73</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Huh? Isn't there a hole for each pin, so being bent would stop it connecting? I'm confused by the photo, there's only one bit that looks like the pins might be flattened, but several that don't seem in the right position, except where the two halves meet and they all look flat. Far too Eschery for my tired brain. <span class="emoticon e_sad" title=":("><span class="e__">:(</span></span> <p>The machine was running with them bent, right? So are unconnected pins like bad sectors on a disk and the processor just ignores them and runs a bit slower?</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.74&return_msg=42301.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.74"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_75"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_75"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">12 Apr 2019 23:30</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Apr 2019 14:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">75 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.75">42301.75</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.69#a42301_74" target="_self">42301.74</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Apparently there's a lot of redundancy in 'some of' the pins, whereas others are crucial. The photo is very difficult to make sense of without being able to look really clearly at the pins - I bought a jewellers magnifying glass to help with the straightening. They look pretty Eschery in real life and there's a bizarre perspective thing when you turn the board around and realise that the half that looked like dimples when the other half was little metal clips now look like little metal clips because they're bent in a different direction.<br /><br /> I decided to bend them straight because although I'm 99% certain I didn't do the damage - I'm really paranoid and careful when I move CPUs around and I've done it dozens of times - there's still that 1% telling me that I did it all and the processor won't work otherwise.<br /><br /> When I first examined the bent pins there were loads of straight fibres and bits of fluff in there that I blew away. I got the impression that some arse had maybe had a go with a cotton bud or microfibre cloth before discovering the Intel Velcro. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.75&return_msg=42301.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.75"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_76"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_76"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">12 Apr 2019 23:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Apr 2019 08:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">76 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.76">42301.76</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.69#a42301_75" target="_self">42301.75</a></div> <div class="message_body"> "the Intel Velcro "<br /><br /> WTF is that?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.76&return_msg=42301.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.76"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_77"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_77"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">13 Apr 2019 09:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Apr 2019 13:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">77 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.77">42301.77</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.69#a42301_76" target="_self">42301.76</a></div> <div class="message_body"> LGA sockets (as opposed to a PGA on the processor itself). It seems that when Intel first adopted LGA sockets for their CPUs, a number of hobbyists and system rebuilders were caught out. They were used to preparing a motherboard for a new CPU by giving it a quick clean with an air-spray cleaner and then running over the board with a cotton bud and some isopropyl alcohol or similar. Quick and easy when the socket has loads of holes for a PGA processor (pins on the CPU, holes on the motherboard). But with an LGA socket you have hundreds of miniscule bent over very sharp copper contacts in the socket on the board, exactly like copper Velcro. Bye bye motherboard when you give an LGA socket a good clean with a cotton bud.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.77&return_msg=42301.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.77"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_78"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_78"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">15 Apr 2019 07:39</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 15 Apr 2019 09:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">78 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.78">42301.78</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.69#a42301_73" target="_self">42301.73</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I did the same after bending a small cluster of pins in a corner pushing a CPU into its socket. Worked fine.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.78&return_msg=42301.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.78"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42301.79" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>