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They vary in spec from very low-powered Atoms and Celerons up to i7 with 16GB tbh. Most come with Windows 10 or a flavour of Android. That's fine, but I also wanted to have at least 2TB of disk space accessible over ethernet (Gigabit) with a further 2TB to back up the main disk. Almost none of the barebones or built boxes allow for additional drives. I could probably do it using external drives plugged into a mini-PC but there's a huge difference between transferring files over a Gigabit link and over a Gigabit link plus a USB port. Anyway, it was all starting to look a bit cumbersome for something I want to sit in view.<br /><br /> The little Silverstone case has room for a couple of 2.5" drives with proper mounting points. The STX board has 2 SATA headers and comes with matching connectors, plus it has an M.2 slot for a third (PCIe) drive to boot from. So I can put everything into one box and hang a little Cyrus DAC from a USB port at the back. I can control the lot with an eSYNiC mini keyboard and use the telly as a monitor.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.55&return_msg=42301.55" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.55"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_56"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_56"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 9 Apr 2019 15:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Apr 2019 16:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">56 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.56">42301.56</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.55#a42301_55" target="_self">42301.55</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Gotcha. Thought it would be storage that was the hold up if you didn't want the storage elsewhere on the network. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.56&return_msg=42301.55" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.56"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_57"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_57"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 9 Apr 2019 16:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Apr 2019 16:13"></span></span> <span class="message_count">57 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.57">42301.57</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.55#a42301_55" target="_self">42301.55</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">there's a huge difference between transferring files over a Gigabit link and over a Gigabit link plus a USB port</div> <p>It's pretty negligible with USB 3 IME.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.57&return_msg=42301.55" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.57"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_58"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_58"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 9 Apr 2019 16:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Apr 2019 19:50"></span></span> <span class="message_count">58 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.58">42301.58</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.55#a42301_56" target="_self">42301.56</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Talking of gotcha, just made a start at putting the little PC together. The 2.5" drives sit next to each other on the bottom of the case with pre-drilled screw holes and little 'dimples' for positioning. The mobo has risers at each corner that hold it clear above them. There are little riser pin-sets on the mobo with custom clip-on cables taking power and data. They're just 2 cm too short to actually reach the furthest drive <span class="emoticon e_cry" title=":'-("><span class="e__"><span class="emoticon e_cry" title=":'-("><span class="e__">:'-(</span></span></span></span> <br /><br /> I'll probably have to bodge something now, maybe with some sticky fixer things to sit the drives at 90 degrees to how they should go.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.58&return_msg=42301.55" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.58"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_59"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_59"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 9 Apr 2019 16:33</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Apr 2019 17:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">59 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.59">42301.59</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.55#a42301_57" target="_self">42301.57</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Really? I find that I get a pretty steady 65 to 90 MB/s disk to disk, depending on what else is using the network, whereas to a USB drive it may start around the same but after a few seconds when the cache has gone it drops to a pretty poor 5 to 10 MB/s usually less. And that's with USB 3.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.59&return_msg=42301.55" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.59"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_60"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_60"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 9 Apr 2019 17:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Apr 2019 22:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">60 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.60">42301.60</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.55#a42301_59" target="_self">42301.59</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Desktop or laptop drives?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.60&return_msg=42301.55" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.60"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_61"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_61"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 9 Apr 2019 19:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Apr 2019 22:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">61 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.61">42301.61</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.55#a42301_59" target="_self">42301.59</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Gotta agree with Smithy. I've got some large USB 3 drives on my server and they get a consistent 80-90 MB/s over my gigabit network. Obviously slower for smaller files. But the bottleneck is usually the read end (card reader, other drive etc) rather than the USB 3 drive. Can't really tell the difference from them being internal drives. I was pleasantly surprised when I first got a proper USB 3 drive, wasn't expecting that speed. <br /> <br /> An old drive? Bad enclosure? </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.61&return_msg=42301.55" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.61"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_62"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_62"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 9 Apr 2019 22:39</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Apr 2019 07:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">62 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.62">42301.62</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.55#a42301_61" target="_self">42301.61</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's not something I do all the time since most of my drives are SATA connected. The times I've seen it are the odd times I've copied files - usually whole backed up folders across the network. In this case the USB connected drives would be exclusively 2.5" But that's interesting, because if what you're both saying is correct (which I'm sure it is) it makes my future project for an ultra-cheap NAS more practical with something like the Nano Pi M4.<br /><br /> I suppose my experience could be something as simple as a bad cable and probably assumptions based on crappy USB 3 thumb drives. Whatever, I don't really want additional external drive cases sitting there if I don't have to.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.62&return_msg=42301.55" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.62"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_63"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_63"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 9 Apr 2019 22:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Apr 2019 22:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">63 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.63">42301.63</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.55#a42301_62" target="_self">42301.62</a></div> <div class="message_body"> ISTR the the earlier/original iterations of USB 3 were buggy.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.63&return_msg=42301.55" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.63"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42301_64"></a><div class="message" id="message_42301_64"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time">10 Apr 2019 20:39</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: william (WILLIAMA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Apr 2019 20:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">64 of 168</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.64">42301.64</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42301.55#a42301_58" target="_self">42301.58</a></div> <div class="message_body"> So, put the little beast together. Fast, even with a little i3 7100. Got Windows 10 installed and activated pretty quick (once again a Windows 7 key works just fine). Haven't got the accompanying HiFi set up yet but decided to plug in the Cyrus DAC anyway. That involved picking up the tiny PC.<br /><br /> Ooh err, as characters in the Beano often say. As soon as I moved it, the fan noise changed from near silent to helicopter. Checked HWInfo and the temps were OK and the fan speed was steady(ish). Was there a cable interfering with the fan blades? Pretty sure not (there aren't exactly many cables in there) but powered down and checked. No stray cables and the fan was mounted firmly and square on. Mobo nice and tight too; case likewise. Best guess is that the fan bearing is dodgy. Have tried again loads of times with the same result.<br /><br /> Bought the case, fan and power supply from Scan. Haven't used them for years and their customer service has varied from not bad to dreadful and back. About to find out what it's like now.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42301.64&return_msg=42301.55" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42301.64"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42301.65" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>