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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.0&return_msg=42134.80"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.61">61–70</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.71">71–80</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.81">81–90</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.91">91–100</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.141">141–145</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=42134.80">Once upon a time</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="42134_80_145_10"> <a name="a42134_80"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_80"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 Mar 2018 20:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Mar 2018 21:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">80 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.80">42134.80</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.79">42134.79</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Oh yeah, I see what you mean. Hadn't checked prices in a while.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.80&return_msg=42134.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.80"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_81"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_81"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">22 Mar 2018 08:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Mar 2018 09:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">81 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.81">42134.81</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.80#a42134_80" target="_self">42134.80</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I agree with Ant. If you're struggling to afford it, personally I'd drop the RAM to 8GB (tbh) and go for an SSD. RAM is easy to upgrade in the future, and you'll get a faster and more responsive system in general out of an SSD/8GB RAM than you will from a mechanical HDD and 16GB RAM.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 22 Mar 2018 08:09 by DAVE!!</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.81&return_msg=42134.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.81"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_82"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_82"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">22 Mar 2018 09:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Mar 2018 13:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">82 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.82">42134.82</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.80#a42134_81" target="_self">42134.81</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 75 bucks still won't buy much ssd here. What slows me down isn't booting or launching programs (both which I do infrequently), it's swap thrashing. So a small SSD might "feel" faster out of the box, I'm not sure that would translate into significant time savings for actual productive use moreso than lotta ram. I can wait for ssd prices to fall more before making the plunge.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 22 Mar 2018 09:30 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.82&return_msg=42134.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.82"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_83"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_83"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">22 Mar 2018 09:49</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Mar 2018 12:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">83 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.83">42134.83</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.80#a42134_82" target="_self">42134.82</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Why not get a small SSD and have that solely as a scratch/swap/page file area then?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.83&return_msg=42134.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.83"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_84"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_84"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">22 Mar 2018 13:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Mar 2018 15:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">84 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.84">42134.84</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.80#a42134_83" target="_self">42134.83</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I would do that if I was going to keep my current, 2GB pc. For the stuff I do, 16GB it will rarely hit swap.<br /><br /> Anyhoo... PHEW! I was all set to wrap up the order, when I happened to notice the Athlon X4 processor was listed as "socket AM4". The selected motherboard is AM3+. <span class="emoticon e_confused_dead" title="X-S"><span class="e__">X-S</span></span> (the motherboard spec said it was compatible with "Athlon" processors)<br /><br /> The good news is, I found an AM4 mb that supports twice the memory (32G DDR4) and I can get a single, 16G stick for a bit more than 2x8G DDR2 (which would max out the other board). Also, AM4 is Ryzen compatible (for future upgrades). <span class="emoticon e_dance" title="(dance)"><span class="e__">(dance)</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.84&return_msg=42134.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.84"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_85"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_85"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">22 Mar 2018 15:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Mar 2018 16:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">85 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.85">42134.85</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.80#a42134_84" target="_self">42134.84</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Is there still a benefit from running two sticks for a dual channel speed improvement? </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.85&return_msg=42134.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.85"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_86"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_86"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">22 Mar 2018 15:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Mar 2018 16:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">86 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.86">42134.86</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.80#a42134_84" target="_self">42134.84</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ah, the pitfalls of incompatible hardware.<br /><br /> I like this site for getting around those:<br /><br /><a href="https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/">https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/</a><br /><br /> It'll continually whittle the parts options down to only those that are compatible depending on what other kit you initially choose.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.86&return_msg=42134.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.86"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_87"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_87"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">22 Mar 2018 16:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Mar 2018 18:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">87 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.87">42134.87</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.80#a42134_85" target="_self">42134.85</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah maybe. OTOH if I want to max out the memory later, that's ~$200 in the bin.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.87&return_msg=42134.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.87"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_88"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_88"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">22 Mar 2018 16:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Mar 2018 17:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">88 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.88">42134.88</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.80#a42134_86" target="_self">42134.86</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm usually pretty careful about buying new parts. I've been caught out by cannibalized parts (latest was trying to put "mac" memory in a pc, which is 1 notch off). Oh yeah, also had to put a new PSU into my case upside down.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 22 Mar 2018 16:41 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.88&return_msg=42134.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.88"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a42134_89"></a><div class="message" id="message_42134_89"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">23 Mar 2018 08:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Mar 2018 09:08"></span></span> <span class="message_count">89 of 145</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.89">42134.89</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=42134.80#a42134_88" target="_self">42134.88</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think part picking has come a long way, it's easier now than back in the day of Pentium 4s having specific RAM, DIP switches and the murky waters of setting IRQs for sound cards.<br /><br /> There are still a few gotchas, but there's a ton more resources to check you're getting it right.<br /><br /> Speaking of all this, I'm planning a PC upgrade for the missus. Custom PC this month featured an AMD APU build for under £400. I might hang on a month or two though, as they suggested you'd need to flash the motherboard's EFI to get it to recognise the CPU. Newer builds of the board should already have that in place. Not that I'm adverse to doing these things myself, but it keeps the onus on them to get it right and saves any returns/customer service hassle should the update go wrong for me.<br /><br /> Not got the parts list with me at work, but I'll see if I can find it tonight.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=42134.89&return_msg=42134.80" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="42134.89"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="42134.90" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>