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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.0&return_msg=41931.5"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.11">11–20</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.61">61–62</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41931.5">General Election</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41931_5_62_10"> <a name="a41931_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_41931_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">19 Apr 2017 15:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Apr 2017 18:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 62</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.5">41931.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.3">41931.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I don't quite know what to make of Corbyn. On the one hand I admire his tenacity and apparent integrity, on the other he is undeniably a huge liability just when the UK desperately needs a credible opposition. He hasn't really addressed the Brexit conundrum, but he seems to be anti-EU so in effect he has neutralized the defining national issue for Labour in this election. There's this odd, "what-me-worry", drifting quality about him (perhaps he is miscast by hostile news media?). The whole party is a vicious, back-stabbing mess, and it's hard to see who they could put forward in his place right now, because they would still lose, but possibly with more seats.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 19 Apr 2017 15:04 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.5&return_msg=41931.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41931.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41931_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_41931_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">19 Apr 2017 15:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Apr 2017 18:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 62</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.6">41931.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.3">41931.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm unaware of any definition of genius that includes doing something so obvious it has been openly predicted and discussed for the past year.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.6&return_msg=41931.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41931.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41931_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_41931_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">19 Apr 2017 16:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Apr 2017 22:07"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 62</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.7">41931.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.5#a41931_6" target="_self">41931.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hyperbole? Sarcasm? Oh the possibilities!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.7&return_msg=41931.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41931.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41931_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_41931_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">19 Apr 2017 18:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Apr 2017 18:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 62</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.8">41931.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.5#a41931_5" target="_self">41931.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> He certainly is miscast by hostile news media but it seems it probably doesn't matter. They define the world and that's the end of it. He doesn't help himself a lot of the time (partly I think through an admirable but perhaps self-defeating refusal to lower himself to their level) and it doesn't matter. Labour hasn't got any credible alternative leader candidates and can't unite behind the one they've got so they're a failure. Sigh.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.8&return_msg=41931.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41931.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41931_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_41931_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">19 Apr 2017 22:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Apr 2017 00:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 62</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.9">41931.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.5#a41931_7" target="_self">41931.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> In teh hive such usage demands a particular hue; neither milkface nor camperman were the slightest bit blue.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.9&return_msg=41931.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41931.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41931_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_41931_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">19 Apr 2017 22:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Apr 2017 19:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 62</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.10">41931.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.5#a41931_8" target="_self">41931.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> >>Labour hasn't got any credible alternative leader candidates<br /> <br /> <br /> This. They're all so shite and unlikeable. About the only one that could have made serious ground, and perhaps even taken the 2015 election, is off in New York playing thunderbirds. Not that I like him or agree with the majority of his (historic) stances on things, but he's got appeal to a lot of people. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.10&return_msg=41931.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41931.10"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41931_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_41931_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">20 Apr 2017 16:17</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Apr 2017 19:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 62</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.11">41931.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.3">41931.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I have three main issues with Corbyn:<br /><br /> First, he was useless during the EU referendum. Sat just about on the Remain side, then did pretty much nothing.<br /><br /> Second, really did not like him using the party whips to push through a vote in favour of triggering Article 50, with no real attempt to challenge any bits of it. The HOL were far more use than he was at challenging some of the dodgier bits of it. Supporting it is fine, but he's supposed to be the opposition leader and is supposed to hold the government to account.<br /><br /> Thirdly, he doesn't come across as a strong leader. Decent enough chap with principles maybe, but a weak leader. And what Labour needs is a strong leader. Ergo, many people simply do not see him as viable PM material and Labour look pretty much unelectable whilst he's there.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.11&return_msg=41931.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41931.11"> <span class="rating">+2/2</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41931_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_41931_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">20 Apr 2017 17:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">12 of 62</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.12">41931.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Whelp...<br /><br /> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/european-parliament-will-welcome-britain-back-if-voters-veto-brexit">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/european-parliament-will-welcome-britain-back-if-voters-veto-brexit</a><br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.12&return_msg=41931.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41931.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41931_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_41931_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">20 Apr 2017 19:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 20 Apr 2017 20:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 62</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.13">41931.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.5#a41931_12" target="_self">41931.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Of course we would, since we haven't actually left yet. Realistically negotiations haven't been started, and won't until after the election. Which reminds me, I need to register for a postal vote because I'll be on holiday. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.13&return_msg=41931.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41931.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41931_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_41931_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">21 Apr 2017 19:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Apr 2017 11:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 62</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.14">41931.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41931.5#a41931_11" target="_self">41931.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's all fine, I don't agree with all of it but fair enough. What next? If your answer is to vote Tory, that's bad. If it's to vote someone else, that might be bad if it's in an area where the only winner will be Labour or Conservative, thanks to our wonderful FPTP election. Otherwise, go for it! I'd probably vote Green if I could. Anyway, I'm interested.<br /><br /> edit - wait, did you say you're in Scotland these days. You also get to choose the SNP you lucky blighter.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 21 Apr 2017 20:35 by MILKO</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41931.14&return_msg=41931.5" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41931.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41931.15" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>