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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.0&return_msg=41892.1"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.11">11–19</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41892.1">DTS</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41892_1_19_10"> <a name="a41892_1"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_1"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 5 Mar 2017 21:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">1 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1">41892.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Graphitone's post <a href="https://www.tehforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41889.16">HERE</a> about ripping his audio collection to FLAC reminded me of something I meant to chuck into teh crucible ages ago.<br /><br /> I've downloaded quite a few albums in DTS format and played them back on stereo (<u>not</u> 5.1) systems. I am<br /><br /> a) absolutely convinced that the sound is significantly better than uncompressed PCM. I hear musical detail I've never noticed before in albums that I'm very familiar with.<br /><br /> but<br /><br /> b) I cannot justify that conviction <strong>at all,</strong> based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of the DTS format. Am I just deluding myself? I do so often.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.1&return_msg=41892.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.1"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_2"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_2"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time"> 5 Mar 2017 22:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Mar 2017 23:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">2 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.2">41892.2</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1#a41892_1" target="_self">41892.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Perhaps it's an age thing.<a href="http://gizmodo.com/dont-buy-what-neil-young-is-selling-1678446860"> You and Neil Young</a> have reached those celebrated years when you're able to pick out nuances/subtleties in music that aren't there.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> From the Gizmodo article</div> <div class="quote">It's incredible to me the lengths that educated and intelligent people will go to say that they're somehow endowed with impossible hearing powers that necessitate a level of audio encoding that's demonstrably unnecessary.</div> <br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.2&return_msg=41892.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.2"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 5 Mar 2017 23:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 08:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.3">41892.3</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1#a41892_2" target="_self">41892.2</a></div> <div class="message_body"> FLAC is gud enuf 4 me, especially since I'm ripping from cds which AFAIK is not great to start with.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.3&return_msg=41892.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 5 Mar 2017 23:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 08:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.4">41892.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1#a41892_2" target="_self">41892.2</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Unlike the estimable Mr. Young, I am happy to acknowledge that my hearing is shot to shit owing to my youthful practice of pressing the speakers of my stereo to my ears (as a consequence of which I also have a shrill ring as my constant waking and sleeping companion).<br /><br /> But for all that, I still contend that DTS delivers more to the earballs than your average bear.<br /><br /> I implore Teh possie to dl a familiar album in that format and then publicly debunk me. I've endured worse and, indeed, derived a subtle erotic pleasure from it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.4&return_msg=41892.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 01:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 06:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.5">41892.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1#a41892_4" target="_self">41892.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I know nothing about DTS, but I can provide you with visual detail you've never noticed before in a black picture and save it in any image format you like, but that wouldn't prove much. <p>I've found the simplest way to improve audio quality is via decent speakers/headphones, and don't worry too much beyond that.</p><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 6 Mar 2017 01:42 by BOUGHTONP</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.5&return_msg=41892.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.5"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 08:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 09:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.6">41892.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1#a41892_4" target="_self">41892.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've got a few DTS/5.1 albums, but have only ever listened to them through all 6 channels. <span class="emoticon e_curlyhappy" title=":J"><span class="e__">:J</span></span><br /><br /> I've never tried it in stereo. That's something to have a go with tonight though. So, what happens to the audio track then? Would your amp try to cram all the channels into front left and right, or would it do some audio-magikery and downmix everything?<br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.6&return_msg=41892.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 09:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 11:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.7">41892.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1#a41892_6" target="_self">41892.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think any magic is done in the software of my audio app (VLC usually). Do you have the same album on both CD and DTS? If so, try a track from both in immediate succession, both in stereo alone, and let me know whether you think there's any perceptible difference in quality.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.7&return_msg=41892.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: william (WILLIAMA)<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 10:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 15:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.8">41892.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1#a41892_1" target="_self">41892.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well, if DTS sounds better to you than PCM, then that's probably, um, how it sounds to you. There are far too many variables here to come to a conclusion. For instance, have you played back a decent range of examples of each type on a decent range of kit? If not then it might be something as simple as your music equipment is suited to DTS streams. Or the DTS music you choose to listen to. <br /><br /> The first thing that occurred to me when you mentioned hearing musical detail in DTS that was 'missing' in PCM, is the inherent differences between the two. DTS was specifically developed as a multi channel encoding method. DTS music/tracks are intentionally mixed and balanced as separate streams for the separate channels and different considerations are involved from mixing and balancing PCM for, say, a CD. It wouldn't surprise me, for instance, if the gain was wound up on a particular channel for a DTS track, and that might well emphasise, say, a vocal passage or a piece of guitar work that is less evident on a basic PCM recording.<br /><br /> Listen to a multi channel movie soundtrack on a stereo or mono sound system and hear how emphasised some of the lows and highs are, and often how muddy and unclear the voices can be.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.8&return_msg=41892.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.8"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 11:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Mar 2017 15:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.9">41892.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.1#a41892_1" target="_self">41892.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> All digital representation of an analogue source are compressed, i've no idea if there's a difference in the encoding between the two formats.<br /><br /> However, if you have a 5.1 source and are listening to it on 2.0, something somewhere is mixing the sources. The mix produced by VLC (or whatever) to 2.0 is going to be different to what a produced in a studio decided on, so it will sound different to the same album produced for 2.0 playback.<br /><br /> A CD is generally produced to sound 'good' on a variety of playback devices - a posh stereo, a car CD player, a noisy shop etc. When mixing for 5.1, a lot of those devices can be ignored so the decisions on the mix are a bit more straightforward in that respect.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.9&return_msg=41892.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.9"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41892_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_41892_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 6 Mar 2017 15:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">10 of 19</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41892.10">41892.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Thanks WmA & Kos for thoughts. No, Wm, I've not been that forensic about it. <br /><br /> When I started to wonder if it was a thing, I listened to a couple of CDs and DTSs side by side (Foxtrot by Genesis, God help me, and Revolver by the Beatles) I was very familiar with both, so maybe it was just that a different mix drew my attention to different bits. But I still preferred it in both cases. Could just be the novelty.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41892.10&return_msg=41892.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41892.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41892.11" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>