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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.0&return_msg=41641.96"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.71">71–80</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.81">81–90</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.91">91–100</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.101">101–110</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.201">201–207</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41641.96">Dump Trump</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41641_96_207_10"> <a name="a41641_96"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_96"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2016 18:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">96 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.96">41641.96</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Rand Paul - Strengths in IA<br /> - Conservative, but very much appeals to moderates and the political center of the US<br /> - Solid tax plan<br /> - Does not say crazy things<br /> - His father is Rand Paul, who is well known in US politics and had (has) a strong following<br /> - Rand Paul surprised everyone in past elections with his organizing skills in IA, really pulled off a stealth campaign.<br /> - Electable in the general election<br /><br /> Weakness<br /> - Lacks funding because wall street does not like him<br /> - Does not have extremists views, so he does not appeal to those with extremist positions.<br /> - Professional, but might not be flashy enough</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.96&return_msg=41641.96" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.96"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_97"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_97"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2016 19:20</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">97 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.97">41641.97</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Clinton Strengths<br /> - Tireless campaigner<br /> - Very strong political ties both domestically and internationally<br /> - Most likely, she would be very effective at what she sets out to do, no matter if you like it or not.<br /> - Strongly tied to Bloomberg and the NY financial markets, so well backed by money and media<br /> - She is a woman, and really expects most women to vote for her, no matter of their political affiliation.<br /> - She has the "super delegates" already tied up, so Sanders would need to win by an astronomical amount in the primaries, and then could still loose the party nomination<br /> - Very strong ties to the pro-Israel lobby, so she can use this to her advantage on most candidates and political opposition.<br /><br /> Weakness<br /> - She is a former Senator from NY, never a good think in middle America<br /> - She doesn't really relate well to the average person<br /> - Her positions tend to be very extreme, you either really agree with her, or you really disagree. She will have a hard time appealing to moderates.<br /><br /> I am not really sure how significant the past issues of email servers and the Benghazi incident really are among Dem voters. A few ex Marines that I know are really upset at these incidents, but they probably didn't like her for other reasons already.<b> </b></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.97&return_msg=41641.96" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.97"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_98"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_98"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2016 19:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">98 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.98">41641.98</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Bernie Sanders Strengths in IA<br /> - He is not Clinton<br /> - The financial markets hate him<br /> - His policies are aimed straight toward people in the 17 - 30 year old range, who are a really disenfranchised group in the US.<br /> - He is Jewish, so he does not have to worry about being attacked the the pro-Israel lobby. Nonetheless, he keeps this to a moderate level, so his religion is not hurting him like being Mormon hurt Romney.<br /> - Very well planned out campaign, and he is good at working as an under dog role.<br /> - Draws from voter distrust that Clinton was the "obvious party choice".<br /> - He is much more likely to respect the rights of the individual than Clinton, although not perfectly, at least better.<br /><br /> Weakness<br /> - Age / old while guy problem with connecting with voters<br /> - Wall street really hates him. They hate him so much, that Bloomberg is considering to enter the Presidential race as an independent party, for the sole reason of making sure that he does not become President.<br /> - Kind of a wild spender with very expensive ideas. In the end, it won't matter, because the Senate and Congress are pretty conservative right now, so many of the ideas won't go through.<br /> - Bill Clinton can still pull a crowd into a campaign, both primaries and general election. Sanders needs to be very careful to not attack Clinton in the primary, or risk loosing the largest party fund raiser support.<br /> - Biden wants to have a major role under Clinton in the next Presidency, either chief of staff, or VP. If Sanders does extremely well in the primary, but not enough to win the nomination, it will be very hard to not give him the VP slot. For that reason, Biden will be anti - Sanders.<br /> - Obama wants to be nominated to the UN or Supreme court, and Clinton will do this in exchange for support. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.98&return_msg=41641.96" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.98"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_99"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_99"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2016 19:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">99 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.99">41641.99</a></div> <div class="message_body"> And - just to keep life exciting, the people of IA have learned to have some "fun" with this over burdening election process and the polls.<br /><br /> They take great pride in pulling jokes on pollsters by telling them different viewpoints and opinions, week to week, just to mess them up and see what the latest poll results show.<br /><br /> Right now, the election simulations show that in the Trump vs. Cruz portion in IA, the winner will be determined by how much it snows.<br /><br /> That is why I suggest to people that they don't get too excited about it all.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 1 Feb 2016 19:45 by HARRYN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.99&return_msg=41641.96" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.99"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_100"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_100"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2016 03:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2016 09:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">100 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.100">41641.100</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.91">41641.91</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">US presidential elections seem bloody interminable.</div> <p>Why, oh why! Why can't we give them 120 days to bloviate and then VOTE already?<br /><br /> I am tired of the Trump, Clinton, Cruz, Sanders, O'Malley, Rubio, bullshite. None of them will ever do half of what they promise, and when called on it they will say they were misquoted.<br /><br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Are the Senate elections synchronised (or anti-synchronised) with the White House race?</div> <p><br /> Google is your <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Day_%28United_States%29">friend</a>.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.100&return_msg=41641.96" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.100"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_101"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_101"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2016 04:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2016 15:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">101 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.101">41641.101</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.93">41641.93</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">My education was in chemical engineering and I am more of a business man, so don't be surprised if you see errors in how the offices are setup.</div> <p>I kinda thought so, given your overly simplistic commentaries on the candidates. I found it amusing that you wrote:<br /><br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">- He says the right things</div> <p>about Chris Christie. He does not say the right things, such as when he told someone critical of his recent handling of a storm in New Jersey, in areas previously damaged by Sandy, "What do you want me to do, go in there with a mop?"<br /><br /> You also wrote that nobody believes him (Christie). Now, if a guy always says the right things, who in their right mind wouldn't believe him?<br /><br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">The perception is that he is "just barely a native born American". Since it was Canada, still might work.</div> <p>If Obama, whose birthplace is still quite nebulous, can get elected - why should it matter where Cruz was born?<br /><br /> Harry, Congress is a bicameral legislature; it consists of the Senate and House of Representatives, When one says Congress, it means both Houses. There are 435 Representatives, 100 Senators and 6 non-voting members.<br /><br /> Trust me, they all understand how it works. That's the problem.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.101&return_msg=41641.96" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.101"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_102"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_102"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2016 09:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2016 11:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">102 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.102">41641.102</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.96#a41641_101" target="_self">41641.101</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">If Obama, whose birthplace is still quite nebulous, can get elected - why should it matter where Cruz was born?</div> <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf">Of course people still don't believe he's born in the USA <span class="emoticon e_happycry" title=":'D"><span class="e__">:'D</span></span></a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.102&return_msg=41641.96" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.102"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_103"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_103"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2016 11:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2016 11:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">103 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.103">41641.103</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.96#a41641_102" target="_self">41641.102</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm sure he was born right next to Bruce Springsteen.<br /><br /> That was a deliberate poke at Harry who indicated that Cruz is "just barely a native born American".</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.103&return_msg=41641.96" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.103"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_104"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_104"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2016 12:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Feb 2016 03:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">104 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.104">41641.104</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.96#a41641_103" target="_self">41641.103</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Just checked out the Cruz thing.<br /><br /> Not sure why there's muddied waters. If he was entitled to US Citizenship from birth (seems he was) then it looks like that's fine, is that correct?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.104&return_msg=41641.96" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.104"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_105"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_105"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2016 15:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2016 15:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">105 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.105">41641.105</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.96#a41641_104" target="_self">41641.104</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.104">ANT_THOMAS</a></div> <div class="quote">Just checked out the Cruz thing.<br /><br /> Not sure why there's muddied waters. If he was entitled to US Citizenship from birth (seems he was) then it looks like that's fine, is that correct?</div> <p>Yes he is as far as I can tell.<br /><br /> I was just poking a little fun at Cruz though, especially after the fuss over Obama.<br /><br /> We get a lot of women from mainland China coming to the us during their 8th month of pregnancy in order to give the kids citizenship and go on the dole. It is kind of annoying.<br /><br /> The reason I say he was sort of "on the edge" is:<br /> - He was born outside of the US<br /> - His father was not a US citizen<br /> - He kept his right to dual citizenship all the way up until he ran for President<br /><br /> His Mother's US citizenship passed the test.<br /><br /> I really don't care what religion someone is, nor what country they are from. I do care about people using dual citizenship to avoid taxes and call themselves something at convenient moments. In my mind, once a person is 18, they should make a decision on their single country citizenship. I cannot understand how it is possible to pledge allegiance to more than one country. This is especially true if you are a government representative.<br /><br /><br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.105&return_msg=41641.96" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.105"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41641.106" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>