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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.0&return_msg=41641.78"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.51">51–60</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.61">61–70</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.71">71–80</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.81">81–90</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.201">201–207</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41641.78">Dump Trump</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41641_78_207_10"> <a name="a41641_78"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_78"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 03:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 11:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">78 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.78">41641.78</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.75">41641.75</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, my understanding is that terrorism involves something-like political motivations. Not *necessarily* a desire to force change but at least a *politically* grounded discontentment.<br /><br /> I think people labelling school shootings as terrorism is in response to the situation where any violence by Muslims tends to get labelled as terrorism and some white terrorism is not labelled as such. Imo it muddies the waters though.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.78&return_msg=41641.78" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.78"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_79"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_79"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 03:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 22:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">79 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.79">41641.79</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.74">41641.74</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I appreciate what you are trying to be subtle about in your words, and your self control in how you are posting it.<br /><br /> It is useful to recall that most of the "old wealth money" in the UK and a good chunk of the EU was obtained with pretty heavy hands during the colonial era, so neither of us can really throw stones about this. Similar to today, most people didn't really benefit from this, just a few.<br /><br /> My main point is that the concerns you have about US policy and how things get trampled on will not really change substantially by who is elected President of the US. Even if it were the case that this was actually important, the vote of a substantial portion of the electorate is nearly irrelevant.<br /><br /> There are some states that nearly always will vote Dem or Rep, and in most cases, this means that the entire electoral vote for that state goes to that candidate. In only a handful of states can this needle be moved enough to make a change.<br /><br /> In my own case, by the time the primary elections reach California, the candidate selection for each party is more or less completed. In the main presidential election, I can vote for any candidate I want very freely and without concern, because CA will vote Dem no matter what.<br /><br /> Since I travel quite a bit in my work, I have tended to vote by mail. It turns out that for nearly 20 years, the county vote counters never even opened these ballots and just said "statistically, they probably voted like everyone else, so there is no need to open them." Fortunately, this changed in the past few years, but it was kind of annoying.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.79&return_msg=41641.78" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.79"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_80"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_80"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 03:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 11:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">80 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.80">41641.80</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.77">41641.77</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.77">milko</a></div> <div class="quote">I think, though the phrasing is awkward, that he is saying the majority of them are indeed for revenge. For some reason also saying "the very few" in there to imply there aren't actually many school shootings at all. Which I suppose is one of those "relative to what?" questions because I'd say there's been loads of them in the last decade.</div> <p><br /> Yes, you are correct, I am saying that the majority appear to be revenge related, and the total is not very many, which of course is a good thing. Yes this is just my own personal opinion based on reading everything I could find on the subject, not only from our own local news sources, but also international web news, psychological analysis of professionals, and some other information sources I have.<br /><br /> I agree that I am not an expert in this area, even if I think I know what I am talking about.<br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.80&return_msg=41641.78" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.80"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_81"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_81"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 03:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">81 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.81">41641.81</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Actually, the main reason that I am posting on this forum is that I am thinking about using Beehive forum s/w for a sort of small company communications, not to talk politics. If anyone would like to look at the thread I started on this topic area and maybe comment on some of the questions in my long winded first post, that would really be appreciated.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.81&return_msg=41641.78" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.81"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_82"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_82"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 09:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 09:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">82 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.82">41641.82</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.78#a41641_78" target="_self">41641.78</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That was the point I was trying to make. Just because they're Muslim doesn't mean it's terrorism/politically motivated. When the white Christians shoot a place up and talk about God it doesn't seem to be considered terrorism, but when the brown Muslims do the same it is instantly terrorism. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.82&return_msg=41641.78" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.82"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_83"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_83"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 09:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 16:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">83 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.83">41641.83</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.78#a41641_81" target="_self">41641.81</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You're welcome to continue contributing, another opposing voice is appreciated. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.83&return_msg=41641.78" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.83"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_84"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_84"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 09:42</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 10:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">84 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.84">41641.84</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.78#a41641_82" target="_self">41641.82</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 'sactly.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.84&return_msg=41641.78" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.84"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_85"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_85"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 11:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 16:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">85 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.85">41641.85</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.78#a41641_80" target="_self">41641.80</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think revenge against bullying *may be* a factor in *some* of the domestic US mass shootings, but unquestionably the main factor is the ubiquity and easy access to guns. I believe that terrorism is indeed a motivation underlying the staging of these spectacular acts, clearly intended to garner as much publicity as possible. The US needs to look at gun culture as an extremely dangerous and insidious form of terrorism within American society that thus far has inflicted far more death and destruction than any external threat.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 31 Jan 2016 11:22 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.85&return_msg=41641.78" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.85"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_86"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_86"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 15:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 15:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">86 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.86">41641.86</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.78#a41641_82" target="_self">41641.82</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">When the white Christians shoot a place up and talk about God</div> <p>I'd like to see your face on that one. I don't think I have ever heard a bigger bullshite statement in my life. So let's see your source on that whopper. Last mass shooting I remember God being mentioned, the shooter <em>targeted </em>Christians.<br /><br /> Daft.<br /><br /> You need to read about some real studies on threat-assessment data instead of making crap up in your mind.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.86&return_msg=41641.78" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.86"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_87"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_87"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Linn (INDYLS)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 16:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 18:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">87 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.87">41641.87</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.77">41641.77</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ah yes, It appears I misread, my mistake <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.87&return_msg=41641.78" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.87"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41641.88" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>