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Pretty strong assumption on your part.<br /><br /><strong>Quote:</strong> </p> <div class="quote">Is your life that miserable? Are you a failure?</div> <p>What does a disrespect for freeloaders have to do with either of that? Were I a failure, I'd be right in with the freeloaders, I'd expect. But I think one's view of success or not has to do with what they view as being important, and what they had set out to do. Freeloaders choose to do nothing, and I have certainly never done nothing. That means I and many other Americans have to pay for them.<br /><br /> No, I was always taught that whatever one does, one always gives it their all, the best they have. I find it hard to believe that one's best is nothing, sans illness or infirmity; in either of those situations, that is totally different.<br /><br /> Failure? I hardly think so. Maybe you'd think so, but yours would be as unusual definition.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.191&return_msg=41641.191" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.191"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_192"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_192"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 6 May 2016 11:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 May 2016 19:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">192 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.192">41641.192</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.187">41641.187</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Thanks for proving my point. <span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";)"><span class="e__">;)</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.192&return_msg=41641.191" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.192"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_193"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_193"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 6 May 2016 13:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 May 2016 02:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">193 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.193">41641.193</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.190">41641.190</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The USA doesn't have any concern or criticism for the UK's politics because they are pretty much inconsequential, the reverse isn't true.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.193&return_msg=41641.191" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.193"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_194"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_194"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 6 May 2016 19:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 May 2016 02:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">194 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.194">41641.194</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.191#a41641_191" target="_self">41641.191</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Now I get it. <a href="https://www.google.ca/search?q=trump+freeloaders">https://www.google.ca/search?q=trump+freeloaders</a><br /><br /><img alt="" src="https://tehforum.co.uk/forum/get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=fab374d3934233909e8a222c820ae9e2&filename=Imgur-d56a92.jpg" /><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 6 May 2016 19:52 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_attachments"> <span>Attachments:</span> <ul> <li><span class="image attach"></span><a href="get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=fab374d3934233909e8a222c820ae9e2&filename=Imgur-d56a92.jpg" target="_blank">Imgur-d56a92.jpg</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.194&return_msg=41641.191" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.194"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_195"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_195"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 6 May 2016 19:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 May 2016 02:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">195 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.195">41641.195</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.191#a41641_192" target="_self">41641.192</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I haven't touched your point and you won't convince a balanced court otherwise. <span class="emoticon e_csad" title=":C"><span class="e__">:C</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.195&return_msg=41641.191" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.195"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_196"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_196"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 7 May 2016 02:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 May 2016 05:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">196 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.196">41641.196</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.188">41641.188</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">It's that you refuse to reassess them in the face of overwhelming evidence. And even irrationally reject the evidence itself.</div> <p>What evidence, pray tell, is that? I haven't seen any "evidence" that anyone here has proffered regarding anything, unless parroting stories from sources akin to the National Enquirer.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I can't be arsed reading the rest of your post as I'm sure it's the same old circular bullshit as always.</div> <p>I can't believe I am arsed to discuss things with many of you. You have your heads so far up your ass I am surprised you haven't expired by now. Maybe you're just restin'.<br /><br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.196&return_msg=41641.191" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.196"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_197"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_197"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 7 May 2016 02:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 May 2016 11:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">197 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.197">41641.197</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.191#a41641_195" target="_self">41641.195</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What would you know about a balanced court? I'd suspect you haven't touched much of late, save your pecker. <span class="emoticon e_fail" title="(fail)"><span class="e__">(fail)</span></span><br /><br /> Brits are quite accomplished at snobbery.<br /><br /> G'day!<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 May 2016 02:47 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.197&return_msg=41641.191" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.197"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_198"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_198"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 7 May 2016 05:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 May 2016 11:52"></span></span> <span class="message_count">198 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.198">41641.198</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.191#a41641_196" target="_self">41641.196</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">unless parroting stories from sources akin to the National Enquirer.</div> <br /><br /> Yeah, again, exactly this. I assume you're just parodying yourself now?<br /><br /> You see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe and any time a credible source offers facts which don't fit into them you dismiss the source in your usual pantomime way.<br /><br /> Which is fine, in and of itself, but is not conducive to an actual adult <em>discussion</em>. It's how children behave.<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I can't believe I am arsed to discuss things with many of you.</div> <br /><br /> Well... you don't.<br /><br /> To be clear, I don't mind at all that you are generally to "the right" of me - I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone so long as they do so in good faith and with an open mind.<br /><br /> I have a lot of respect for many (relatively) right wing positions and often find that the right is more intellectually honest and cohesive than the left.<br /><br /> I do not believe that the right is evil and the left is saintly. There are just as many angels and devils, albeit of different character, on the left as there are on the right. I believe that those who approach politics with honesty, on both sides, do so with a desire to make the world better and improve lives.<br /><br /> I love discussing things with people with whom I have a <em>fundamental</em> disagreement when they have arrived at their position through intellectual rigour and honesty. People who, for example, believe that human dignity is fostered through individual sovereignty and that collectivism is an affront to that dignity. I disagree. <em>Strongly</em>. But I respect the position a great deal.<br /><br /> This doesn't, to my mind, describe you.<br /><br /> My impression of you is that you are one of those people who wants to sound tough and decisive without doing the hard work of actually thinking about anything.<br /><br /> When information runs contrary to your beliefs you, rather than thinking about it and discussing it in good faith, dismiss it out of hand.<br /><br /> When asked to explain how you arrived at a position you, instead, reiterate - without ever justifying - your position and resort to anecdote in lieu of evidence or thought.<br /><br /> And when it becomes clear - even to you, I'm sure - that your position has no intellectual foundation whatsoever, rather than doing what I really firmly believe a rational being ought - have a bit of a think about it - you resort to impotent infantile baits and limp insults. Like:<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">You have your heads so far up your ass I am surprised you haven't expired by now. Maybe you're just restin'.</div> <br /> You're a grown, adult human being for fucks sake. Act like one or fuck off.<br /><br /> (And, just to be absolutely clear, we are not a hive-mind; I do not speak for anyone but myself. That 'fuck off' is from me alone, not 'us')<br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 May 2016 05:45 by X3N0PH0N</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.198&return_msg=41641.191" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.198"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_199"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_199"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 7 May 2016 12:30</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 May 2016 14:02"></span></span> <span class="message_count">199 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.199">41641.199</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.191#a41641_198" target="_self">41641.198</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">You see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe and any time a credible source offers facts which don't fit into them you dismiss the source in your usual pantomime way.</div> <p>Oddly enough, or perhaps coincidentally enough, this is pretty much how I feel about you lot. Once again, I will ask: what credible source did I dismiss out of hand? <u>What facts</u> did I dismiss in "usual pantomime way"?<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">I do not believe that the right is evil and the left is saintly. There are just as many angels and devils, albeit of different character, on the left as there are on the right. I believe that those who approach politics with honesty, on both sides, do so with a desire to make the world better and improve lives.</div> <p><br /> I agree that extremes of either are not well-served in politics - although I am not sure that there are many, if any, who currently serve in U.S. politics who are interested in making the world better and want to improve lives. Our Congressional Approval Rating should bear that out.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">This doesn't, to my mind, describe you.</div> <p>Interesting. Although I'd have to say that rigorous beliefs are held quite widely here, and by you. So apparently we feel the same way about the other, except from opposite sides.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">My impression of you is that you are one of those people who wants to sound tough and decisive without doing the hard work of actually thinking about anything.<br /><br /> When information runs contrary to your beliefs you, rather than thinking about it and discussing it in good faith, dismiss it out of hand.<br /><br /> When asked to explain how you arrived at a position you, instead, reiterate - without ever justifying - your position and resort to anecdote in lieu of evidence or thought.<br /><br /> And when it becomes clear - even to you, I'm sure - that your position has no intellectual foundation whatsoever, rather than doing what I really firmly believe a rational being ought - have a bit of a think about it - you resort to impotent infantile baits and limp insults. Like:</div> <p><br /><br /> Sure. Yeah, I just became Republican because my daddy was a Democrat. Or something like that. No, I actually took the time to read about and study what Democrats traditionally believe against what Republicans believe and stand for. So, I believe in personal responsibility, am not afraid of hard work; we were taught to get the work done first and play later. One always does his best. That we accept a hand up, but not to settle for hand-outs, assuming we are capable of self-sufficiency.<br /><br /> Speaking about limp insults, I think you are one-way on that. It is OK to criticise the American, dismiss any statements out of hand and fail to indicate where the American has run afoul of facts or sources. Brits are quite accomplished at seemingly pleasant speech meant to injure, which has been done many times in the past.<br /><br /> I suspect the "rigour and honesty" bit is subject to your interpretation at all. Do you think you have a lock on that? Seriously?<br /><br /> Just so you know, I have a lifetime of rational thought on my positions. I have "had a think about it" more often then you might imagine. When it comes down to it, I think you are just annoyed that I don't come around to your way of thinking. Well, I likely won't. We are two different minds, yours tends to be left of centre, mine tends to be right of centre. We will possibly find common ground somewhere in the middle, but on what I am not sure.<br /><br /> I think you are basing most of your assertions on my not providing to you links for facts on obamacare. I explained why I did not, but of course in your haughty way you find fault. I did not want to appear to be cherry-picking results, and the data is a tough slog, being as there are so many angles. <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/investing/unitedhealthcare-obamacare-exchanges-aca/">Obamacare</a> is <a href="http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/264810-aetna-to-leave-health-insurers-trade-group">failing</a>:<br /><br /><a href="http://cnsnews.com/news/article/blue-cross-aetna-united-humana-flee-obamacare-exchanges">Earlier</a>.<br /><br /> The way obamacare was set up, it seemed there was no way for insurance companies could lose, because there were built-in bailouts - that taxpayers would have to pay for - in case the exchanges failed. Well, we already experienced that in the financial and automotive sectors. Insurance is a business, and government has no place in business because it creates nothing, produces nothing except taxes. Our government is incredibly inefficient at doing anything at all - haven't you read the news? We waste, tax and pork-barrel ourselves to death, and you would wonder why I am Conservative in mindset?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/05/06/business/never-completed-tva-nuclear-plant-cost-4-billion-sale/#.Vy3fsZ4Shg8">Waste</a><br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">That 'fuck off' is from me alone, not 'us'</div> <p>I knew that would be in there, somewhere. Thanks, your sentiment is a shared one.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.199&return_msg=41641.191" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.199"> <span class="rating">-1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_200"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_200"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 7 May 2016 14:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 May 2016 20:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">200 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.200">41641.200</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.191#a41641_199" target="_self">41641.199</a></div> <div class="message_body"> No.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.200&return_msg=41641.191" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.200"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41641.201" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>