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Paying attention to the insurance companies pulling out, watching premiums rise? But I get it. You want the government teat.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">So you and people like you already had health insurance and access to health care. Bully for you.</div> <p>Up yours, asswipe. I paid for healthcare out of my own pocket because my employer didn't offer it. The millions of people who didn't have heathcare didn't want it. They also didn't want jobs, preferring to suck the government teat. I paid for healthcare for me and my son because that is what a responsible parent does. A responsible parent also gets a job and works. A responsible parent finds a way. The percentage of people who didn't have insurance before does not match up with the people who signed up, nor does it coincide with the people still paying. A large percentage never paid the first premium, or they only paid one premium - or their plan was canceled. You are a fool if you think obamacare was about insurance, or was anything other than trying to stimulate buying through forced taxation. How naive.<br /><br /> You on obamacare, by the way, since you know how good it is and all?<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">She didn't refuse to protect anybody.</div> <p>People who really know will not agree at all with your statement. Some of 'em write for the Daily Mail. <span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";)"><span class="e__">;)</span></span> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.169&return_msg=41641.169" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.169"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_170"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_170"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 3 May 2016 07:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 2016 10:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">170 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.170">41641.170</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.169#a41641_169" target="_self">41641.169</a></div> <div class="message_body"> >><span style="font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">The percentage of people who didn't have insurance before does not match up with the people who signed up, nor does it coincide with the people still paying. A large percentage never paid the first premium, or they only paid one premium - or their plan was canceled.</span><br /><br /> Got any sources to back those claims up? Genuinely interested.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.170&return_msg=41641.169" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.170"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_171"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_171"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 3 May 2016 10:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 2016 10:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">171 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.171">41641.171</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.169#a41641_170" target="_self">41641.170</a></div> <div class="message_body"> There are lots. I actually have a problem with the statistics and sources though, because they are so many ways the data have been compiled it makes for quite a confusing read. I went through several sources to try to find good, raw data for ACA enrollment viability; the temptation for many is to write a search string such as, "obamacare sucks and here's why", but that is only confirmation bias. Finding a reliable source for information is tough, so I will leave it to you to find a source.<br /><br /> About the best I could find is this: Prior to obamacare, there were some 43 million (an argued number) uninsured, for a variety of reasons. After forcing people to buy insurance - and here is where it gets tough: somewhere between 9 million and 16 million people bought insurance. Or tried to. Or signed up. Or they signed up and paid for one month. Or they signed up and promised to pay and never did. Sigh.<br /><br /> Others, like me, had their policy canceled because it was ACA non-compliant. Some of those bought insurance for one month or longer, or took the penalty and didn't buy insurance. It is a difficult slog to figure out what the numbers are because there are so many variables. Incidentally, one of the reasons my policy was canceled (covering me and my son) was because it did not cover maternity care, for two males. The policy was 2.35 times more expensive than my previous policy, had a $12,000.00 deductible and less coverage.<br /><br /> Anyway, guessing at the end result is a challenge. It appears to me that of the 43 million uninsured ( a number given to help "sell" obamacare), perhaps 6% obtained and kept insurance - but even that is a disputed number.<br /><br /> All I can say is, according to people who have obamacare and use it, it is a mixed bag. Maybe half say it works, the other half say the coverage sucks. I do a lot of medical transport, so I hear a lot of comments. Most of my clients are on fixed or limited incomes. There are a number of insurance companies who have already canceled their coverage and no longer sell ACA insurance because it was not profitable for them. Next up: Insurance company bailout.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.171&return_msg=41641.169" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.171"> <span class="rating">-1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_172"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_172"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 3 May 2016 14:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 May 2016 01:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">172 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.172">41641.172</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.169#a41641_171" target="_self">41641.171</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Insurance and hmo lobbyists, corrupt congress and chump citizens what vote for 'em, and Republican obstructionists get to own this sorry mess.<br /><br /> Me, I'm on the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_%28Canada%29">Gold Standard</a>, thanks for axing.<br /><br /> Good luck!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.172&return_msg=41641.169" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.172"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_173"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_173"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 4 May 2016 01:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 May 2016 09:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">173 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.173">41641.173</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.169#a41641_172" target="_self">41641.172</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Insurance and hmo lobbyists, corrupt congress and chump citizens what vote for 'em, and Republican obstructionists get to own this sorry mess.</div> <p>And everything is just peachy-keen in the Land of The Great White North. All Lovey-Dovey up there, what with your rising <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/11/news/economy/canada-unemployment-oil-jobs/">unemployment</a> and <a href="http://www.torontosun.com/2016/04/30/new-book-on-trudeaus-immigration-policies">immigration</a> putting the squeeze on health and other services.<br /><br /> Ain't life grand when the gummint provides free shit (especially for immigrants)? But then, the Libs will have many more voters available to continue voting for free shit. <span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";)"><span class="e__">;)</span></span> <br /><br /> Was a time when immigrants came here, they worked hard, raised their families, started businesses... earned their way. Now they come over and hold their hands out to Democrats in exchange for votes. <span class="emoticon e_fail" title="(fail)"><span class="e__">(fail)</span></span> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.173&return_msg=41641.169" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.173"> <span class="rating">-1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_174"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_174"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 4 May 2016 08:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 May 2016 09:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">174 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.174">41641.174</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.169#a41641_172" target="_self">41641.172</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Don't bother Smiffy, 'e's not werf it. Like arguing with a brick. A bigoted brick.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.174&return_msg=41641.169" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.174"> <span class="rating">+3/3</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_175"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_175"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 4 May 2016 09:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 May 2016 14:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">175 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.175">41641.175</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.169#a41641_174" target="_self">41641.174</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/donald-trump-proves-racial-nationalism-is-alive-and-well/article29805755/">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/donald-trump-proves-racial-nationalism-is-alive-and-well/article29805755/</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.175&return_msg=41641.169" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.175"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_176"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_176"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 4 May 2016 10:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 May 2016 14:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">176 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.176">41641.176</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.169#a41641_174" target="_self">41641.174</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Et tu, Brute?<br /><br /> This discourse serves to say that no matter what political system one lives under, one becomes inured to it. Those who are free cannot understand those who are repressed, those who have become accustomed to being taxed into oblivion cannot understand those who question taxation. Or giving up rights.<br /><br /> It is important to note that as far as bricks and bigots go, you two would do well to look in the mirror; that is, if you can get your asses and noses lowered.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 4 May 2016 10:39 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.176&return_msg=41641.169" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.176"> <span class="rating">-1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_177"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_177"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 4 May 2016 13:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 May 2016 01:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">177 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.177">41641.177</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.169#a41641_173" target="_self">41641.173</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Medicare is under pressure here, as it is in most industrialized northern countries, not least because we <em>did not have enough</em> immigration.<br /><br /> I'll leave you work out the math on that.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 4 May 2016 13:50 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.177&return_msg=41641.169" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.177"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_178"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_178"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 4 May 2016 15:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 May 2016 01:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">178 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.178">41641.178</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.169#a41641_176" target="_self">41641.176</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Name one thing that Steve or Dan have said which is bigoted...</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.178&return_msg=41641.169" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.178"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41641.179" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>