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Not as much as Bill but she's not totally devoid of it like a lot of recent candidates have been.<br /><br /> And yeah, tonight's debate just finished and Sanders is hitting her harder which is good to see.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.136&return_msg=41641.136" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.136"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_137"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_137"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">22 Apr 2016 01:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">137 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.137">41641.137</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Maybe if we are lucky, there will be enough complaints about the primary elections that the "caucus" system states will convert to normal primary elections. This is a problem, almost regardless of your personal political views.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.137&return_msg=41641.136" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.137"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_138"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_138"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">22 Apr 2016 20:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Apr 2016 06:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">138 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.138">41641.138</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.136#a41641_137" target="_self">41641.137</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p><i>> Maybe if we are lucky... <br />> ... <br />> This is a problem...</i></p> <br /><p><span class="emoticon e_questioned" title=":?"><span class="e__">:?</span></span></p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.138&return_msg=41641.136" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.138"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_139"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_139"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">25 Apr 2016 06:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Apr 2016 21:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">139 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.139">41641.139</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.136#a41641_138" target="_self">41641.138</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hello Peter,<br /><br /> The US election system has some interesting contortions, both in the main election, and in the primary elections.<br /><br /> There is not any mandate or limitation on the number of political parties submitting a candidate for any elected office, but the two main parties are so dominant, that they do everything possible to drown out the smaller ones in the general (main) elections.<br /><br /> The "Primary Elections", which is what we are in now, are "who will be the candidate from each party. The political parties are a lot like a corporation, and have successfully argued in court that the National Laws don't apply to them. They can choose more or less any method they like to select a candidate.<br /><br /> They give voters "an opportunity to express their preference" during the primary elections, but are not legally bound to follow this "preference".<br /><br /> Within the "Primary election system", there are two common methods used to determine if a candidate (within a party) wins a state primary election or not:<br /><br /> - Normal Voting - one person, one vote, typically in a private booth at an official voting location, on an official form, fairly close to your home, in a very structured, organized, legal manner. Mistakes are made, but it is pretty scrutinized.<br /><br /> - Caucus Voting<br /><br /> - In this case, there can be as many, or as few as (one) location where people have to travel to in order to make their opinion / vote known. The location can be 2 - 4 hours drive away, and include pre-meetings that can last for hours, before the "vote" is taken. <br /> - The vote can be taken in any number of ways including a) someone writing down how many people are in a candidates "room" - counting noses at a particular moment in time<br /> - an actual vote count, but not necessarily with any privacy<br /> - voice vote, where the loudest group saying their preference wins<br /> - There may, or may not be any attempt to verify if the people in the room are registered voters or not<br /> - Votes might be collected and counted by a volunteer who happens to be in the room, with no prior experience with how it is organized<br /> - Voting can be done on a legal form, or paper napkins, as needed<br /> - There is only limited scrutiny of the results and procedures, and it is not uncommon for bags of "votes" to be found, in the trash and uncounted.<br /> - Just to add to the fun, it is on a work night, so the people who go, might spend the entire night there, and then be expected at work the next day.<br /> - Sometimes, a town will select "someone of good standing" to go the caucus and represent the opinion of the entire town.<br /><br /> Incredibly, both systems are given equal weight in terms of who becomes the US President, and it is hard even for Americans to grasp just how manipulated this system is.<br /><br /> This is what I mean when I indicated that I hope that the Caucus system of voting is someday eliminated.<br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 25 Apr 2016 06:44 by HARRYN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.139&return_msg=41641.136" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.139"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_140"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_140"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2016 09:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">140 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.140">41641.140</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36136480">Trump fails really really bigly</a> That's all we need. a POTUS with the vocabulary of a toddler.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.140&return_msg=41641.136" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.140"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_141"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_141"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2016 13:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Apr 2016 14:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">141 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.141">41641.141</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.136#a41641_140" target="_self">41641.140</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I kind of believe his handlers' recent claim to the RNC that this sub-literate jackass persona is an act.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.141&return_msg=41641.136" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.141"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_142"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_142"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2016 14:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">142 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.142">41641.142</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I suspect that the real reason that the RNC and some big money donors don't want Trump as President, is that he knows which closets contain the skeletons. I do agree that he mostly likely uses "talk" to move topics in his preferred direction, which is really the primary power of a President.<br /><br /> While I don't necessarily call myself "sold on Trump", it becomes easier to not worry about it when we look at the last 40 years of prior US Presidents, and the leaders of other countries. There have been some pretty mixed quality and policy politicians in just about every country, and most have survived.<br /><br /> The more people bash Trump, the more I think he might be a decent candidate. Of course there are some details which are not ideal, but that is always true of any candidate.<br /><br /> The financial institutions and intelligence community pretty much run the country anyway, so the country is more or less immune to the politicians.<br /><br /> It is so interesting to see how passionate people in other countries are about US Politics. While it is interesting to watch the political process in other countries, I would not imagine actually becoming emotionally involved in foreign elections.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.142&return_msg=41641.136" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.142"> <span class="rating">-1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_143"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_143"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2016 14:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Apr 2016 05:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">143 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.143">41641.143</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.136#a41641_142" target="_self">41641.142</a></div> <div class="message_body"> "he knows which closets contain the skeletons"<br /><br /> How?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.143&return_msg=41641.136" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.143"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_144"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_144"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2016 14:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 28 Apr 2016 05:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">144 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.144">41641.144</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.136#a41641_142" target="_self">41641.142</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's kind of important to pay attention to the USA from outside, since much of the world economy runs on US$ and a seemingly increasingly large part of it gets American bombs dropped on it too, with far-reaching consequences. <br /><br /> Your stated rationale there for increasingly thinking he might be a decent candidate is frankly bizarre, but I'm sure there's more to it.<br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.144&return_msg=41641.136" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.144"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_145"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_145"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2016 15:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">145 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.145">41641.145</a></div> <div class="message_body"> "the real reason that the RNC and some big money donors don't want Trump <s>as President</s> to win the Republican nomination" (FTFY) ... is because if he does, Hillary wins by a landslide, Republicans will be purged from currently-held Congress and the Senate, and their party all but destroyed by bitter infighting.<br /><br /> Some of the biggest 'traditional' Republican donors (e.g. Koch bros) are already making noises about switching their support to Hillary.<br /><br /> So if you want another 'Republican Lite', elect another Clinton.<br /><br /> If Cruz gets the nomination, Hillary wins by a landslide but the Republican Party will survive in a weakened state to fight another election (maybe), with Tea Party nutters (like Cruz) a discredited, spent force.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 26 Apr 2016 15:08 by DSMITHHFX</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.145&return_msg=41641.136" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.145"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span 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