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The laws in NJ reflect this. It would not be much different than our own Gov here in CA trying to pretend that he supports individual rights and is honest - pretty similar. Romney had the same problem, which is why we have Obama today.<br /><br /> There is no campaign that can make Christie a viable candidate that can pass the muster of the republican primary process and a general election. <br /><br /> As far as cleaning up from after the storm and his "mop" comment, actually, it was probably more true than not. Snow + rain + low elevations make floods, and NJ has all of that.<br /><br /><br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 2 Feb 2016 15:49 by HARRYN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.106&return_msg=41641.106" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.106"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_107"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_107"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2016 15:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">107 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.107">41641.107</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Fixrman, if you have a candidate that you feel is worth expanding on their credentials and a reason to vote for them, feel free. <br /><br /> I am going to vote for Rand Paul, at least in the primary, as he is one of the few with a viable tax plan, concern about government privacy intrusion, and supports more rights of the individual than most of the others. As a practical matter, who knows which candidates will still be on the ballot by the time the primary in CA rolls around.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.107&return_msg=41641.106" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.107"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_108"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_108"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2016 16:04</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2016 20:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">108 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.108">41641.108</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.106#a41641_107" target="_self">41641.107</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I like Rand Paul (he's the only GOP candidate I *do* like). I may not agree with much of what he says but he is clearly intelligent, thoughtful and a person of integrity. He (as he should as a public servant) tends to put what he believes is right ahead of his personal religious beliefs (which is where the other GOP candidates tend to falter with regard to their religious beliefs and the 10th amendment/states' rights).<br /><br /> But I'm not sure I'd call his tax plan viable. He's published a balanced budget proposal, which is maybe what you mean, but he's proposing a flat income tax of (if I recall correctly) 10%, which is sheer insanity. It's a proposal that sits well with the Republican base (those to whom he's trying to appeal currently) but, aside from amplifying an already out of control wealth gap, would never fly during a general election. I'm sure he knows this and would drop it the instant he got the nomination. Not that he will, of course, sadly.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 2 Feb 2016 16:06 by X3N0PH0N</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.108&return_msg=41641.106" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.108"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_109"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_109"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2016 20:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Feb 2016 08:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">109 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.109">41641.109</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.106#a41641_108" target="_self">41641.108</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Here is a link to the Rand Paul tax plan.<br /><br /><a href="https://randpaul.com/rand-pauls-fair-and-flat-tax-op-ed">https://randpaul.com/rand-pauls-fair-and-flat-tax-op-ed</a><br /><br /> For me, this is how it breaks down:<br /><br /> For my business, which is a small C Corp:<br /> - the tax rate is 40%. <br /> - Compare this to what google, HP, and GE pay by playing tax games and moving production offshore - essentially 0%.<br /> - The plan would have both my small company, and GE paying 14% - seems reasonable to me.<br /> - 40% is such a high number, that it just isn't viable.<br /><br /> Personal Income<br /> - Most workers pay 6.5% into social security (payroll tax) and the employer also pays in 6.5%.<br /> - Since I am considered self-employed, I pay both sides (13%)<br /> - On top of this, I pay income tax to the Federal government, plus others. For better or worse, this number has not been all that much lately, but hopefully will rise by making more money<br /> - If your income is $10 million in payroll / similar, the payroll tax only affects the first $100 - 200K, and people end up spending enormous effort to keep their income "appearing low" with deductions, foundations, trusts, etc.<br /> - The Paul plan would make this "total" 14% for everyone. Again, this is a reasonable number.<br /><br /> Romney got in trouble with his election over the tax issue. He was complaining that lower income people paid very little income tax, but he would not acknowledge how much they pay in payroll tax. (he paid zero since he didn't take his income as payroll and it was defined as capital gains).<br /><br /> If instead of selling "hardware / software" products like I do currently, I worked for a hedge fund or stock broker, my income would be considered capital gains, so the tax rate is much lower, just because I work on wall street and sell the "right" product. Seems unfair to tax one kind of income differently than another. Like the saying, a dollar is a dollar.<br /><br /> Partnerships, LLCs, and similar structures<br /> - More of less, these are just artificial tax constructions focused on one or two industries and complicates the tax code.<br /> - In my simple mind, all we need are C corps and personal income categories, the rest of the versions can be eliminated.<br /> - The accounting in a C corp is much more straight forward and "honest" than some of these strange LLC and partnership arrangements. That is one reason I like them.<br /><br /> Personally, I think the ideal tax system is a retail sales tax (not VAT - which is perhaps the worst possible system), but that is really unlikely to happen. The reason I like it, is that it removes the unfair competitive advantage that imports have over local production.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 2 Feb 2016 21:04 by HARRYN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.109&return_msg=41641.106" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.109"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_110"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_110"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 3 Feb 2016 03:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Feb 2016 08:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">110 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.110">41641.110</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.104">41641.104</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's pretty much it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.110&return_msg=41641.106" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.110"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_111"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_111"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 3 Feb 2016 03:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Mar 2016 17:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">111 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.111">41641.111</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.106#a41641_107" target="_self">41641.107</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Fixrman, if you have a candidate that you feel is worth expanding on their credentials and a reason to vote for them, feel free.</div> No, thanks. There's already too much shite and stink flying around in the air. I'll let others froth at the mouth awhile; when it all settles down to four, we'll see where it all stands.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.111&return_msg=41641.106" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.111"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_112"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_112"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">21 Feb 2016 20:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">112 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.112">41641.112</a></div> <div class="message_body"> So it "suddenly" seems quite likely that Trump could get the Republican nomination. Wow! It'd be like us electing Boris for something serious. Eesh, I wish I knew where I'd like to emigrate to.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.112&return_msg=41641.106" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.112"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_113"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_113"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">21 Feb 2016 20:17</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Feb 2016 10:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">113 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.113">41641.113</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.106#a41641_112" target="_self">41641.112</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Greenland?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.113&return_msg=41641.106" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.113"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_114"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_114"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">27 Feb 2016 16:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Feb 2016 19:42"></span></span> <span class="message_count">114 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.114">41641.114</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.106#a41641_112" target="_self">41641.112</a></div> <div class="message_body"> OK, Alec.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.114&return_msg=41641.106" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.114"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41641_115"></a><div class="message" id="message_41641_115"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: DeannaG (CYBATRON)<span class="message_time"> 1 Mar 2016 15:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Mar 2016 16:08"></span></span> <span class="message_count">115 of 207</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.115">41641.115</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41641.11">41641.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You are so very twisted. <span class="emoticon e_lol" title="LOL"><span class="e__">LOL</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41641.115&return_msg=41641.106" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41641.115"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41641.116" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>