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You never release a final product, even before The Internet, this never happened. Someone somewhere who has control of the purse strings will tell you enough is enough. <p>As it is, it was probably already pushed back several times already, considering it was supposed to be an updated to Windows 8 originally.<br /><br /> With The Internet being as ubiquitous as it is now, releasing software on shorter release cycles is definitely a good thing. And Microsoft have already said this is what they are doing now and there will be an SR1/10.1 for Windows 10 before end of this year.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.41&return_msg=41543.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.41"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_42"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_42"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 2 Aug 2015 14:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Aug 2015 14:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">42 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.42">41543.42</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.41#a41543_41" target="_self">41543.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I find it a mixed thing. For smaller apps, no big deal. But for something as key as an OS, it seems as if a lot of the care and consideration has been dropped recently. There's no need any more to carefully design something when you can just shove any old rubbish out the door and keep changing it and modifying it every 5 seconds.<br /><br /> This is one of the reasons I ditched Firefox as a browser. Their rapid release cycle meant that they were constantly removing features, shifting things around, breaking things and forcing me to have to keep tweaking my add-on list to fix things back again. I got sick of opening my browser and finding that it wasn't working properly any more and needed tweaking back into shape every couple of months.<br /><br /> With Windows 10 being basically released when it's clearly not properly finished, we're in this situation again. Sorry, but I prefer the old-school way of thinking where a team carefully designed something that's coherent and well designed (ie, Windows 7), rather than just rushing out a buggy, confusing and incomplete pile of shite and thinking "It's OK, we can just fix it later".<br /><br /> Not saying Windows 10 is shite mind you, and I also appreciate that post-release bugs and issues arise in all products, but Windows 10 definitely could have benefited from being finished properly before being released...<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 2 Aug 2015 14:16 by DAVE!!</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.42&return_msg=41543.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.42"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_43"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_43"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time"> 2 Aug 2015 20:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Voltane <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Aug 2015 20:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">43 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.43">41543.43</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.36">41543.36</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.36">Voltane</a></div> <div class="quote">I'd ask for coffee, black with no sugar. No way they could mess it up ... then.</div> <p>In a word, Nescafé</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.43&return_msg=41543.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.43"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_44"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_44"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Voltane<span class="message_time"> 2 Aug 2015 20:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Aug 2015 22:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">44 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.44">41543.44</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.37">41543.37</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, Direct X 12 is supposed to be good but I'm not sure any games take advantage of it yet.<br /><br /> And i'm not worried about running everything at max resolution so i'll stick at Win7.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.44&return_msg=41543.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.44"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_45"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_45"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Voltane<span class="message_time"> 2 Aug 2015 20:33</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Aug 2015 21:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">45 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.45">41543.45</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.41#a41543_43" target="_self">41543.43</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Nescafe is owned by Nestle so I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.45&return_msg=41543.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.45"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time"> 2 Aug 2015 21:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Voltane <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2015 14:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">46 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.46">41543.46</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.41#a41543_45" target="_self">41543.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I drink and eat Nestlé stuff, it doesn't bother me.<br /><br /> But Nescafé bothers me. Greatly.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.46&return_msg=41543.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 2 Aug 2015 21:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 12:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.47">41543.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.41#a41543_41" target="_self">41543.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Windows is in a weird position now, though. It's still overwhelmingly dominant on the PC, obviously, but it's in a strange kind of dead-end.<br /><br /> Outside of the PC it's irrelevant (ignoring WinCE embedded stuff which is more of an anomaly than anything else) and the narrative for the past few years has been that the desktop is dead/dying. Which is obviously bollocks but it's certainly true that mobile has been the growth area for the last few years and MS have spectacularly failed to do anything at all in that market.<br /><br /> So they're left with a woefully outdated* desktop OS and their choice is: play it safe and give that creaky old OS <em>another</em> new coat of paint or play it risky, try to shoehorn that OS onto mobile and hope for some penetration (YJ).<br /><br /> And they've kinda opted for... both. Which leaves them with a technically quite good but massively unpopular mobile OS and a technically dead but massively popular (though not hugely profitable) desktop OS. They can't afford to do an actual new Windows for a market no one is sure matters any more but they can't withdraw from a market they have like 90% share of. So... we get Windows 10, while they figure out what the fuck to do and/or hope that people suddenly start liking Windows on mobile.<br /><br /> And with the diminishing significance of the OS on the platform they still control (largely due to the rise of web-apps but the diversification of computing in general has played a big part too) they're slowly bleeding out in that market too as users opt for Macs, Chromebooks or just an Android/iOS tablet instead of a laptop.<br /><br /> It'll take a long long time for MS to lose their dominance on PC, obviously, but without new tech or genuine new features (so not Cortana) even fanboys are going to struggle to find reasons to stay after a while.<br /><br /> * Basically the NT4 kernel; weird, semi-64bit support (and mostly 32bit userland); outdated, feature-poor filesystem (which is poor on SSDs) - no snapshotting, no decent built-in (and trusted) encrytion, no decent (i.e. 'free') compression, no (real) on the fly-resizing, no pooling/cloning/subvolumes etc. etc.; Poor security model (even aside from NSA-backdoor concerns (which business in particular is increasingly concerned about)); No real sandboxing (nothing like chroots or BSD jails); terrible containerisation support; shitty VM tech and no in-kernel hypervisor.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.47&return_msg=41543.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 2 Aug 2015 23:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Aug 2015 06:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.48">41543.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.38">41543.38</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You're curious. <p>Which two fingers and how?</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.48&return_msg=41543.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 06:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Aug 2015 23:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.49">41543.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.41#a41543_48" target="_self">41543.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I suspect 90% of people would be similar, but it'd be index and middle finger wrapped around the handle, coming back into one's palm with the thumb placed on top to steady things.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.49&return_msg=41543.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41543_50"></a><div class="message" id="message_41543_50"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)<span class="message_time"> 3 Aug 2015 10:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Aug 2015 23:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">50 of 110</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.50">41543.50</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41543.1">41543.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> When I say 'attempted', what I actually mean is that I got home from work, turned my machine on expecting it to notify me to install. It didn't, so I didn't.<br /><br /> I'm happy to wait for the notification rather than faff about with an ISO or USB install.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41543.50&return_msg=41543.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41543.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41543.51" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>