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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.0&return_msg=41485.10"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.21">21–30</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.51">51–58</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41485.10">Dumb question</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41485_10_58_10"> <a name="a41485_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_41485_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">21 May 2015 10:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2015 12:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.10">41485.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.8">41485.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Actually I'd have thought that someone from the U.K., being somewhat more socially advanced than the U.S., would not be using such a disparaging and ironically insulting term as "nigger".</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.10&return_msg=41485.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41485.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41485_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_41485_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">21 May 2015 12:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2015 14:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.11">41485.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.10#a41485_10" target="_self">41485.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I shit on political correctness.<br /><br /> Just as I detest the hijacking of the word 'gay' by the homosexual community.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.11&return_msg=41485.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41485.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41485_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_41485_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 May 2015 14:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2015 16:07"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.12">41485.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.10#a41485_11" target="_self">41485.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You shit on yourself. Seriously, stuff like that could be career-limiting.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.12&return_msg=41485.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41485.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41485_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_41485_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">21 May 2015 14:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 May 2015 00:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.13">41485.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.10#a41485_10" target="_self">41485.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I reckon it's that we've developed a different vernacular, but the words we use are just as disparaging a term(s). Nigger's a very Americanised word and while it's no doubt used the English speaking world over it's not utilised <em>that </em>much here when wanting to sound racist/shock people. From my own experience, I hear it used in American music and from American comedians, but rarely elsewhere. In the racist times I know about (my parent's generation growing up in the 50s and 60s) terms like wop and wog were bandied about with abandon, they were used on prime time BBC for feck's sake. There's an episode of Fawlty Towers (late 70s show, I think) where the Major refers to black people as 'wogs'. Then came a kind of national embarrassment about it all and it was decreed that those terms were pretty awful and things got banned, like golliwogs. They used to be the logo for Robinson's marmalade and featured in loads of Enid Blyton stories, often, unfortunately, as a perpetrator/instigator of some mischievous toyland crime.<br /><br /> Anywho, they were 'our' words to describe the sort of person people in America would use to describe the sort of person in question and they were definitely more prevalent before the taboos kicked in.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 22 May 2015 07:31 by GRAPHITONE</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.13&return_msg=41485.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41485.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41485_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_41485_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">21 May 2015 14:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2015 15:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.14">41485.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.10#a41485_12" target="_self">41485.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not to mention unhygienic.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.14&return_msg=41485.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41485.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41485_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_41485_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">21 May 2015 16:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2015 16:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.15">41485.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.10#a41485_13" target="_self">41485.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The revisionists have rewritten Enid Blyton's works to take out anything offensive like golliwogs. Pity they can't do the same to Jeremy Clarkson really, there'd be nothing left.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.15&return_msg=41485.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41485.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41485_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_41485_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">21 May 2015 16:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2015 16:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.16">41485.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.10#a41485_12" target="_self">41485.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.11">99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)</a></div> <div class="quote">I shit on political correctness.</div> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.12">Additional Reductions (DSMITHHFX)</a></div> <div class="quote">You shit on yourself.</div> <p>No, on political correctness. I am not politically correct, nor am I political correctness itself. Ergo, I do not shit on myself and your assertion is, accordingly, bollocks.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.16&return_msg=41485.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41485.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41485_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_41485_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">21 May 2015 16:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2015 16:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.17">41485.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.10#a41485_15" target="_self">41485.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <span class="emoticon e_giggle" title="(giggle)"><span class="e__">(giggle)</span></span><br /><br /> Shurley there must have been other children's writers that included references to golliwogs. Wonder if they got the same attention? Or was Enid the only racist out there? I know from a recent edition we've got, her 'Faraway Tree' books have had a character name edited from Fanny to Franny. Less contentious, but shows the progress the easily offended have made. That said language is always evolving and what meant one thing back in Enid's day can and does mean something different nowadays. Something has to give and to be honest I'm not so entrenched in nostalgia and rose tint that I couldn't bear her hallowed tomes from ever being changed from the original.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.17&return_msg=41485.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41485.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41485_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_41485_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">21 May 2015 16:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2015 19:17"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.18">41485.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.10#a41485_17" target="_self">41485.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>You can tell her books are old fashioned because Mr Policeman doesn't shoot the golliwogs.</p> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.17">graphitone</a></div> <div class="quote">I'm not so entrenched in nostalgia and rose tint that I couldn't bear her hallowed tomes from ever being changed from the original.</div> <p>I'm not particularly entrenched in nostalgia, and I find her writing a bit excruciating now TBH, but changing her words to suit political correctness or modern social mores is just plain wrong IMO. It would be like covering Michelangelo's David because he's showing his 'thingy'.<br /><br /> What are they going to do with <em>Fanny By Gaslight</em>?</p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 21 May 2015 16:39 by MR_BASTARD</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.18&return_msg=41485.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41485.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41485_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_41485_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">21 May 2015 16:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 May 2015 19:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.19">41485.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41485.10#a41485_16" target="_self">41485.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Your funeral, your way.<br /><br /> <span class="emoticon e_horror" title=":-&"><span class="e__">:-&</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41485.19&return_msg=41485.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41485.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41485.20" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>