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Stop reading more into it than necessary, eBay be damned.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">Point is that, under UK consumer law at least, you sign to say a package has been received, not that it's in any given condition or free from damage.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">Now obviously the buyer is an asshat for signing for anything when it was clearly fucked, but I know plenty of people who could and would be pressurised into signing for it. Woudn't even be surprised if the courier tried it on saying "you're just signing to say it's received, you'll need to fill out a claim form to get it sorted".</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">I've also had couriers turn up at my flat door (2nd floor) with their handheld computermabob asking me to sign for stuff that they haven't even got out of the van yet "wanted to make sure you were in before I lugged it up here" is the usual excuse). I'm always </span>doubly<span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;"> suspicious when they try that!</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.70&return_msg=41424.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.70"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_71"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_71"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 15:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 15:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">71 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.71">41424.71</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.66">41424.66</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I logged into my eBay and curiously there is no mention of what happens when a <em>package</em> is received damaged, only mention is damaged <em>merchandise</em>.<br /><br /> I'd contact eBay via Email then call eBay and get someone on the phone, if that is possible. Regardless, the buyer's beef would have been with the shipper, but he clearly neglected to properly note <em>damage in shipping</em>. To me, that is a dick move if he figured he could just shove it back on you due to vague or non-existent eBay policy for Damage in Transit. I suspect they have no <u>policy</u> because they know at that point it is out of their control.<br /><br /> Having been a shipping clerk myself, I can tell you by the looks of the packaging, it was insufficiently packed for transit. If you will rise up in righteous indignation at that conclusion, then revert back to the Buyer's failing to note Transit damage and come to a conclusion there.<br /><br /> Good luck with it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.71&return_msg=41424.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.71"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_72"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_72"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 15:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 15:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">72 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.72">41424.72</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.69#a41424_71" target="_self">41424.71</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I was a shipping clerk long time ago. Interesting trade.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.72&return_msg=41424.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.72"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_73"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_73"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 15:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 15:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">73 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.73">41424.73</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.69#a41424_70" target="_self">41424.70</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">>> Point is that, under UK consumer law at least, you sign to say a package has been received, not that it's in any given condition or free from damage.</span></span> <<<br /><br /> I find that very hard to believe. With all the rules and regulations the U.K. has (not that we don't have as many or more) it is inconceivable to me that Consumer Law does not address this.<br /><br /> I don't know how Jon shipped the parcel, but: <a href="http://www.royalmail.com/personal/help-and-support/royal-mails-retail-compensation-policy-for-damage">Mail</a><br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 16 Mar 2015 15:45 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.73&return_msg=41424.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.73"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_74"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_74"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 15:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 15:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">74 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.74">41424.74</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.69#a41424_69" target="_self">41424.69</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Until they changed everything in the buyers favor. I've had an eBay account for ages and stopped selling anything once I started getting scammed like you are. You have no power, but the buyer sure does. He's about to get a free lathe from you and you can't do anything about it! The burden of proof is 100% on you when it shouldn't be! Fuck eBay.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.74&return_msg=41424.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.74"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_75"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_75"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: JonCooper<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 15:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Mar 2015 01:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">75 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.75">41424.75</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.69#a41424_71" target="_self">41424.71</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It was a brand new purpose bought box and contained a lot more bubble-wrap etc when it left here.<br /><br /> This really isn't about laws and regulations and suchlike, eBay's policy is "buyers are happy or the seller sorts it out"<br /><br /> They have frozen my money, I can't touch it until this is fixed, it's eBay's game and you have to play by eBay rules.<br /><br /> Obviously laws and regulations etc over-rule eBay, but that's a long-term much-hassle route, for now at least it's down to me to sort it out.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.75&return_msg=41424.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.75"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_76"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_76"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 16:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Mar 2015 01:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">76 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.76">41424.76</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.69#a41424_73" target="_self">41424.73</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Find it as hard as you like, but if you look up there ^^^ you'll see the post I made quoting the Unfair Contract Terms with reference to couriers, linked back to the UK Gov website.<br /><br /> Royal Mail is governed by totally separate laws and rules to couriers as they provide a regulated postal service, however after a good scan of that link I didn't see anything about signatures invalidating claims.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.76&return_msg=41424.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.76"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_77"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_77"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 16:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 16:26"></span></span> <span class="message_count">77 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.77">41424.77</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.69#a41424_76" target="_self">41424.76</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 'Tis true the EU favors statutory consumer protections over buyer beware.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.77&return_msg=41424.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.77"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_78"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_78"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">17 Mar 2015 02:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Mar 2015 13:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">78 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.78">41424.78</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.69#a41424_75" target="_self">41424.75</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Jon, I understand what you are saying, about the box being new, etc. But just because you had a new box and bubble wrap doesn't mean that that the packaging was adequate.<br /><br /> Something that it heavy, particularly if it is irregularly shaped, is not easy to package. I'd have used two cartons for that parcel, and I'd have packed it so that there was no way for the wieght inside to move. Movement = breakage. I learned that early on. I didn;t want to be responsible for damaged packages, so I learned early on how to make them impervious to transit damage. Even the packages I exported to Canada made it without bursting. But that was my profession at the time, it is certainly unreasonable to expect a casual shipper to package professionally.<br /><br /> I'd probably find another way to sell from here o out were it mean, Doesn't worth it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.78&return_msg=41424.69" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.78"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41424.79" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>