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The buyer has all the power in this situation. But you can at least contact eBay and at least point these things out. I'd explain that the buyer gave you a good rating and signed for the delivery as "in good condition".</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.47&return_msg=41424.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 13:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 13:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.48">41424.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.45">41424.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Jesus.<br /><br /> This is why I'm so nervous about selling on ebay. I always assume the buyer is going to screw me over or the item is going to arrive broken. Hassle, hassle, hassle.<br /><br /> I sold a bike for my brother a few years ago and the buyer was a complete cock. I ended up giving a partial refund because he hadn't looked at the high-res photos properly to notice the seat wasn't brand new.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.48&return_msg=41424.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: JonCooper<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 13:42</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 13:42"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.49">41424.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.46#a41424_47" target="_self">41424.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I will be arguing my side, and I will try hard to point out that the buyer has made this MUCH worse by accepting the package etc, etc<br /><br /> So much is missing that it's unusable, I hope that will carry some weight with the shipping company.</div> <div class="message_attachments"> <span>Attachments:</span> <ul> <li><span class="image attach"></span><a href="get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=015d1ba68497bf0a0972cae3fd6958e2&filename=latheissues.jpg" target="_blank">latheissues.jpg</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.49&return_msg=41424.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_50"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_50"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 13:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 13:50"></span></span> <span class="message_count">50 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.50">41424.50</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.46#a41424_49" target="_self">41424.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Good luck!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.50&return_msg=41424.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_51"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_51"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 13:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 13:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">51 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.51">41424.51</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.46#a41424_48" target="_self">41424.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I lost my old eBay account with a stupidly high rating because of dickbag customers.<br /><br /> Sold two things (one was a car, one was some car parts) and on both of them the winning bidder didn't pay and didn't make any kind of contact. They both had 100% positive feedback - but then if you actually read the feedback the comments are all negative. Turns out ebay stopped sellers leaving negative feedback for buyers - da fuck. So yeah, both buyers with a history of winning things and not paying for them. Both items had other (lower) bids, and if i'd realised the high bids were from assholes I'd have rejected them. Instead I was left with unsold items and a big bill from ebay for insertion fees.<br /><br /> Lost my account because I refused to pay the insertion fees (and wrote to them telling them why) on the grounds that my items failed to sell only because of ebay's decision to prevent buyers getting negative feedback and then failing to properly police member accounts. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.51&return_msg=41424.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.51"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_52"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_52"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 13:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 13:50"></span></span> <span class="message_count">52 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.52">41424.52</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.46#a41424_49" target="_self">41424.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Did you engage the courier as a consumer or as a business?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.52&return_msg=41424.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 13:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 14:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.53">41424.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.46#a41424_51" target="_self">41424.51</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.51">koswix</a></div> <div class="quote">They both had 100% positive feedback - but then if you actually read the feedback the comments are all negative. Turns out ebay stopped sellers leaving negative feedback for buyers - da fuck.</div> <p><br /> I remember when they made this change, there was huge uproar about it but they still went ahead with it. Should be able to give Positive, Negative and Neutral to buyers and sellers. The seller has more at stake.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.53&return_msg=41424.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_54"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_54"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: JonCooper<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 13:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 14:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">54 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.54">41424.54</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.46#a41424_52" target="_self">41424.52</a></div> <div class="message_body"> consumer, private not business (it was my son's tool and he's lost interest)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.54&return_msg=41424.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.54"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_55"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_55"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">16 Mar 2015 14:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 16 Mar 2015 14:13"></span></span> <span class="message_count">55 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.55">41424.55</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.46#a41424_54" target="_self">41424.54</a></div> <div class="message_body"> OK, well you're protected by the various consumer laws then which is A Good Thing.<br /><br /> Looking around google (mainly the complaints are about TNT), seems the likely outcome is that the courier will refuse to pay out, citing the signature as acceptance that the goods were OK. But if you push them, and put the claim in writing with the threat of small claims court etc. you should get it settled.<br /><br /> The notion that a signature absolves them of responsibility is largely unenforceable (under consumer law) as their would be a myriad of requirements on them to make it reasonable (allowing reasonable time to inspect the goods, actually telling you what you're signing (doesn't mention that shit on the handhelds they all use now) etc.).<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.55&return_msg=41424.46" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.55"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41424.56" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>