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By the time you pay insertion fees (N,J), final value fees (which includes a cut of the postage cost - wtf*), and PayPal fees, a ten quid profit turns into less than 3 quid. Barely worth the cost of driving to the post office to send it.<br /><br /><br /> *W<span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">hen I go to post something and the postman says "that'll be three pounds please" am I meant to say "OK, here's £2.70"? Don't think Pat will accept that somehow.</span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.1&return_msg=41424.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.1"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_2"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_2"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 9 Mar 2015 11:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Mar 2015 11:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">2 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.2">41424.2</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.1#a41424_1" target="_self">41424.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I didn't think they took a cut from the P&P. Has that changed then?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.2&return_msg=41424.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.2"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 9 Mar 2015 11:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Mar 2015 11:40"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.3">41424.3</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.1#a41424_2" target="_self">41424.2</a></div> <div class="message_body"> They take 10% of the final price, including postage.<br /><br /> <a href="http://sellercentre.ebay.co.uk/introduction-ebay-fees">http://sellercentre.ebay.co.uk/introduction-ebay-fees</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.3&return_msg=41424.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 9 Mar 2015 11:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Mar 2015 11:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.4">41424.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.1#a41424_3" target="_self">41424.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> (also, they set a limit on how much you can charge for postage in some categories (like DVDs, Games) that often is lower than the cost of posting the item)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.4&return_msg=41424.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 9 Mar 2015 11:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Mar 2015 11:42"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.5">41424.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.1#a41424_4" target="_self">41424.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I remember there being a limit on phones. Fuckers.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.5&return_msg=41424.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: DeannaG (CYBATRON)<span class="message_time"> 9 Mar 2015 12:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Mar 2015 12:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.6">41424.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.1#a41424_4" target="_self">41424.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> When I want to sell something, I inspect it for quality, figure out shipping materials, pack it up, then take it to the post office and pay the postage. Once I have all the information I need, I just add the shipping into the overall price, and use the free ship option. I always explain in the description the shipping has been added into the price.<br /><br /> A lot of people will pass right by things with a shipping price listed separately, and go to an item marked as Free Shipping. Even if you explain the cost of shipping has been added into the price.<br /><br /> I don't know if they think they're getting a better deal, just because it 'says' free shipping, or what, but I do tend to sell more items and they sell faster if I list them that way. And if I'm correct, such a listing has fewer and lower fees.<br /><br /> Something else I do is if the shipping is something like $2.37 I round it up to $2.50. I go up to the next nearest quarter. If it's something like $2.25 I leave it as such. It seems odd prices like $6.37 seem to throw some people off as well. I'm not sure why.<br /><br /> Hope that helps a bit. <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.6&return_msg=41424.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 9 Mar 2015 12:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: DeannaG (CYBATRON) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Mar 2015 13:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.7">41424.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.1#a41424_6" target="_self">41424.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I guess that's why ebay added the Sort by Price + P&P option. That's the only one I use to sort prices by. I guess not everyone else does the same!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.7&return_msg=41424.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 9 Mar 2015 12:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: DeannaG (CYBATRON) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Mar 2015 13:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.8">41424.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.1#a41424_6" target="_self">41424.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> People just like seeing teh price they pay, I think, rather than having to OMG MATHS to work it out.<br /><br /><br /> >><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"> And if I'm correct, such a listing has fewer and lower fees.<br /><br /> eBay have two fees (three if you include Paypal): insertion fee for making your listing, that varies by category, starting price, extras like galleries etc. and auction/Buy it Now. Not sure if shipping has an impact on it, but don't think so. The other fee is the final value fee, which is 10% of the total cost of the item.<br /><br /> So if you've valued your item at $10 and you add on $2.50 for postage, and list it as a BIN for $12.50, ebay will take $1.25 off you when it sells (same amount as if you'd listed it as $10 + postage). Plus the insertion fee (I think you get 20 free listings per month). Paypal then take a cut for processing the money (here it's £0.20 + 3.4% of the transaction value).<br /><br /> I did a wee spreadsheet to see if it was worth buying a bunch of stuff to sell on eBay, was quite shocked at how much the fees take out. There are better options if you're selling in bulk, but this gives a decent baseline to work from:</span><br /> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width:408px;" width="408"><colgroup><col span="3" /><col span="2" /><col /></colgroup><tbody><tr><td height="19" style="height:19px;width:64px;">Cost</td> <td style="width:64px;">Sell</td> <td style="width:64px;">eBay Fee</td> <td style="width:76px;">Paypall Fee</td> <td style="width:76px;">Postage</td> <td style="width:64px;">Profit</td> </tr><tr><td align="right" height="52" style="height:52px;">£8.96</td> <td align="right">£17.00</td> <td align="right">£1.49</td> <td align="right">£0.78</td> <td align="right">£2.80</td> <td align="right">£2.96</td> </tr></tbody></table><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.8&return_msg=41424.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 9 Mar 2015 12:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Mar 2015 12:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.9">41424.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.1#a41424_8" target="_self">41424.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That does look pretty bad when you compare the cost to the selling price.<br /><br /> But overall that's a 33% margin. Very basic calculations say you'd need to shift about 40 per day of whatever it is you're selling to make anywhere near a decent living from it.<br /><br /> (I've had a little look into setting up some sort of ebay business but I think my simple calculations meant the volumes I'd need to move would be quite silly. I was basing this on buying very cheap stuff - the sort of things we would buy for 99p each on ebay from China).</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.9&return_msg=41424.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41424_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_41424_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 9 Mar 2015 13:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 9 Mar 2015 13:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 124</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.10">41424.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41424.1#a41424_9" target="_self">41424.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, I guess it's do-able if it's your full time job. Just.<br /><br /> But the idea that ebay is an open marketplace where anyone can compete is very much dead, I think. When ebay's combined take (keeping in mind eBay own Paypal) is almost the same as much as my profit, that's taking the piss.<br /><br /> If I had any clue where to start, and a few tens of millions in private equity backing, I'd setup a rivial eBay with actually decent fee structure. Essentially all you need to do is cover server costs and a few staff. I'd probably favour a fee system where you pay *either* a listing fee *or* a final value fee. Like if you were pretty sure your item was certain to sell, a fixed listing fee of 50p. Or you could take a gamble and list for free, but be charged 5% of the final sale.<br /><br /> Even at a 5% cut, with ebay processing around $181m of sales per day (according to the google search I just did), that'd be $9m a day for them. No fucking /way/ it costs them anything like $9m a day for staff and servers <span class="emoticon e_csad" title=":C"><span class="e__">:C</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41424.10&return_msg=41424.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41424.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41424.11" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>