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As a matter of fact, compared to a few years ago when "we" Americans would participate in your Forum (well, really it is ours in the greater scheme of things, as members) I think things have calmed down a bit.<br /><br /> I am much older now and not quite as likely to get incensed at a post I disagree with, now I am more likely to perhaps take the piss, be sarcastic or sardonic in reply - or even (Gasp!) ask for clarification. I think your views would be fairly consistent with how they probably should be.<br /><br /> When I visited there in 2000 via a Land Rover sponsored trip, I found England to be an idyllic, magical place; I was in Stratford-upon-Avon and the "worst" thing I saw was a couple of young women who flashed their boobs as they walked across the (a) bridge of the Avon (forgive me that I do not recall if the bridge has a proper name) - an action I found not objectionable in the least. I found my time there to be quite different than anything I could possibly find in America and I reveled in the differences. The fact that my mum was born there only added to the allure.<br /><br /> So I got to experience some of the best that England has to offer, but by no means complete. I am sure if you came here, I would hope that you would be exposed to our best and never experience anything unpleasant. Fortunately, the pleasant outweighs the unpleasant tenfold. The media unforunately plays up the negative things because it sells.<br /><br /> All this by way of saying, yes - we might actually be better off if we didn't have guns here. But the other side of the coin is, because we have had them for so long, there are far too many people who shouldn't have them as compared to the people who really could have them for a nonviolent use. Some people will look at the recent militarisation of police departments across the U.S. as a sign of foreboding and cling even tighter to their 2nd Amendment rights. If you are interested in it, you can easily find out about it on any U.s. news web site.<br /><br /> Perhaps all we need do is spend more time on vacations intead of the too many hours we spend as a country working and then spending money on crap we can ill afford, creating a perpetual loop of workaholism.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.64&return_msg=41226.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.64"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_65"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_65"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Mizzy<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 14:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 15:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">65 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.65">41226.65</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.64#a41226_64" target="_self">41226.64</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Another point of view I heard recently is that a lot of the gun crime is down to the lack of mental healthcare available to those members of society which can't afford health insurance but their income falls just above medicare levels and even medicare doesn't cover much,<br /><br /> I Promise i'm not trolling <span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span></span> I just wanted to get your opinion on that viewpoint, given the huge negative reaction we heard on our news feeds relating to Obamacare.<br /><br /> Over here even with our NHS, mental health care is best sought privately , the nhs only tend to get involved once you get to sectioning a person (placed in a secure unit for their own good) which is waaaay past the point a person needs help, so it's not much better here.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.65&return_msg=41226.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.65"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_66"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_66"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 15:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 16:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">66 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.66">41226.66</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.64#a41226_64" target="_self">41226.64</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've been to America a couple of times before: Florida (Orlando and Miami) first, then another time San Francisco -> Yosemite -> Tonopah -> Vegas -> Grand Canyon -> Somewhere-near-LA -> San Francisco. Had an absolutely great time and never a whisper of any trouble. Nobody showed me their boobs though, so now I feel like the USA owes me! As usual while the "general USA" in the world is doing terrible things in all manner of ways, on an individual level you're pretty much all great people. Same as the UK these days probably, I have no illusions about us being any better a force for good.<br /><br /> Yes, the recent militarisation of the US Police is insane, fucking school districts with anti-mine personnel carriers and stuff, what the fucking hell is that? I don't know that you lot being able to arm yourselves with various weaponry is going to help much there really. Get yourselves some Army surplus Apache helicopters perhaps.<br /><br /><br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.66&return_msg=41226.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.66"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_67"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_67"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 16:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Mizzy <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 22 Dec 2015 14:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">67 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.67">41226.67</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.64#a41226_65" target="_self">41226.65</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well, you have to understand I am Republic in leanings (if that was a secret <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":-P"><span class="e__">:-P</span></span> ) so I am probably much more biased against obamacare than for it.<br /><br /> I do not really have any personal knowledge of how obamacare treats <u>m</u>ental <u>i</u>llness, but traditionally it hasn't been done well here for a very long time. there's a lot of stigma associated with MI so some people avoid an MI diagnosis to avoid the stigma. It is really only recently that the trend has been better understanding of mental illness; maladies like depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia and other related issues.<br /><br /> It might interest you to know that I have suffered from a level of depression from time to time. Many people do not know that I do, but <u>I</u> know it. My wife probably doesn't know it. Why? Because I am able to disguise it fairly well. People who do not see me on a regular basis might not be able to see the difference between me at 100% and me at 50%, because my 50% is sometimes better than others 100%. I am not saying this out of arrogance or anything, it is just that I tend to be an optimistic pragmatist. Yeah, I know - hooey. What I mean by that is I am opyimistic that things will work out fine but pragmatic enough to try to be prepared in case they don't.<br /><br /> Some people turn to porn when depressed, others masturbate excessively or turn to other sexual outlets, some turn to drink, drugs, or crime; others withdraw from society. Back in the day, they called it "coping". Some people do it (coping) by working, other with the aforementioned negative means, others have a recreational outlet.<br /><br /> The fact that our economy is not good does not help in any of these matters and obamacare has not helped at all in that regard. We were told that 40 million people needed insurance, and fewer than 7 million signed up, of which some of them haven't paid a premium yet. Companies are sitting on massive cash reserves because they do not know how the new obamacare scenario will affect them. So there are a couple million people out of work, a couple million more underemployed and hundreds of thousands who have sort of given up actively looking for a job because they fee like they have exhausted their opportunities.<br /><br /> Yet companies will tell you they can't find people. They can't find people because they have outsourced their generally useless anyway Human Resource departments, but at least when they existed they were in-house if one could manage to get to talk to someone. I actuallly just spent over an hour talking to a recruiter for a postion that is probably at least a 40 minute commute away. If one is lucky enough to find and apply for a job (a lot of job descriptions look like they are looking for Purple Cows), the software they use likely throws out a good 50% of likely qualified, excellent candidates to a job whose skills probably transfer well to a different line of work, yet their "keywords" were wrong. Or they lacked experience in that particular field - although in a better economy would possibly be considered due to highly transferrable skills.<br /><br /> OK, so I have wandered off topic a bit right? Not really because all of this ends up in frustration and exacerbates the already fragile condition known as mental illness. Some of these folks commit suicide (it has been on the rise), some turn to those things I mentioned earlier. The Left, who ramrodded obamacare through claim that it isn't a job killer; perhaps "kill" is overdoing it but it is certainly putting a limp in the recovery, as have the massive bailouts to the auto industry and Wall Street/Banks. Had I been able to get a business loan back in 2011-2012, I probably wouldn't have the time to post here. I'd be putting away cases of beer, setting up Oktoberfest gatherings and running the distributorship.<br /><br /> People who work don't have time generally to do the wrong things. Idle hands are the devil's work. Some of it find better outlets than others and some of us keep plodding along regardless, even though were are depressed. Somehow we still know that it is wrong to take what does not belong to you, try to hurt others or otherwise become a problem to others. Some folks just get extremely desperate perhaps, but I don't know how much gun crime is done by folks in the situations I described. I think sometimes there are just bad folks out there that do stuff because they are just inherently evil.<br /><br /> ** No wonder nobody answers my CVs if my spelling is as sh*tty as it has been here...<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 6 Oct 2014 22:04 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.67&return_msg=41226.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.67"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_68"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_68"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 16:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 17:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">68 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.68">41226.68</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.64#a41226_66" target="_self">41226.66</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"> Nobody showed me their boobs though, so now I feel like the USA owes me!</div> <p>We do, and I will gladly show you my boobs although I doubt it would be the same for you. By the time you get here I hope to have lost the bit of relaxation that has caused this bit of manboobery (it isn't like I need a bra or a "mansier", mate <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":-P"><span class="e__">:-P</span></span> ).<br /><br /> "Show" is probably overstating things a bit, since I was a bit far away and could not really see what may have been lovely assets those two had. Is that some sort of a custom to do that in Stratford, upon that gentle, arched bridge? In any event, should you find yourself on the East coast, I shall do as much as I can to ensure you will experience a vision of lovliness appropriate for a chap of your stature. And not by going to Double Visions, either. [G]<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">what the fucking hell is that?</div> <p>Good intentions gone all wrong. But even at that, the local townships, even with a fancy RV would be no match for guerilla warfare if it came down to it. At least I expect not. I don't think they are allowed to have Apache helicopters and they are a bitch to maintain anyway. If we had Apaches, you guys would be bitching that we had those too. <span class="emoticon e_lmao" title="LMAO"><span class="e__">LMAO</span></span> <br /><br /> No college campus needs an MRAP, APC or 10,000 rounds of ammo for AR-15s and neither does a police precinct. If there is a neighborhood that has gotten out of hand to the degree that all those munitions are required, then the police and local government has allowed it to get that way. Call the National Guard in and clean it out, using bulldozers if necessary.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.68&return_msg=41226.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.68"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_69"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_69"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 17:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 18:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">69 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.69">41226.69</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.64#a41226_68" target="_self">41226.68</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think to be honest if most people had an Apache and managed to get it started up, the first thing they'd do is crash it. They look like quite a challenge to fly.<br /><br /><br /> If Stratford has a custom involving boobflashing it's not one I've ever heard of. I can only surmise that once the UK heard you were coming, they were laid on as part of the special treatment we all planned for you.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.69&return_msg=41226.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.69"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_70"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_70"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 18:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 21:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">70 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.70">41226.70</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.64#a41226_69" target="_self">41226.69</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That warms my heart to no end! I know it was meant as a surprise, but I wish I'd been closer to fully appreciate the view.<br /><br /> Yes, I do know you are joking, but that is exactly the kind of comment I have grown accustomed to in talking with those of the Anglican persuasion, or Angling Saxons as I prefer. It is almost pleasant to be insulted by a Brit. <span class="emoticon e_lol" title="LOL"><span class="e__">LOL</span></span><br /><br /> I know a few helo pilots and they say they are easier than fixed wings to fly - well, after about 300 hours of practice or so. <span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span></span> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 6 Oct 2014 18:37 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.70&return_msg=41226.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.70"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_71"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_71"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 20:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 21:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">71 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.71">41226.71</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.49">41226.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I only pay in brick.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.71&return_msg=41226.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.71"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_72"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_72"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 22:04</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Oct 2014 09:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">72 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.72">41226.72</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.64#a41226_71" target="_self">41226.71</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You are a suave bastard, aren't you?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.72&return_msg=41226.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.72"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_73"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_73"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 7 Oct 2014 09:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Oct 2014 13:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">73 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.73">41226.73</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.64#a41226_72" target="_self">41226.72</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I fucking am.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.73&return_msg=41226.64" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.73"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41226.74" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>