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We don't want US gun law, the US doesn't want ours; but it's Ok, because we each have our own, not each other's. If anybody is unhappy with their own country's gun law, they have every right to debate and to lobby their government to change their country's laws. But they have fuck all right to lobby other country's governments in order to change laws that don't apply to them.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.46&return_msg=41226.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 20:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 10:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.47">41226.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.44#a41226_46" target="_self">41226.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Tru dat. No point continuing! </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.47&return_msg=41226.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 22:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 06:04"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.48">41226.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.41">41226.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> So if someone breaks into my house and may have a weapon or evil intentions, you feel I am not allowed to shoot him/her?<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 5 Oct 2014 22:59 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.48&return_msg=41226.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 22:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 10:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.49">41226.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.44#a41226_46" target="_self">41226.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Manthorp's money is no good at the Pub tonight, see me for the tab.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.49&return_msg=41226.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_50"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_50"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 23:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">50 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.50">41226.50</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.44#a41226_49" target="_self">41226.49</a></div> <div class="message_body"> F all the guns. We n=may not agree, but when I come for a holiday over there we can solve it over a pint or three - even though my cousing says sevral of you are daft.<br /><br /> i get some of the excellent points that have been made and agree with many of them to a point, but it won't change a whit.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.50&return_msg=41226.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_51"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_51"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 09:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 11:55"></span></span> <span class="message_count">51 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.51">41226.51</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.44#a41226_48" target="_self">41226.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> (how do quotes work now? As in clicking the link at the bottom of a post you want to quote. Or do they just... not)<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">So if someone breaks into my house and may have a weapon or evil intentions, you feel I am not allowed to shoot him/her?</span></div> <br /> Yeah, believe it or not, and I think this is where each side of the Atlantic blows each other's minds, for a lot of people here (and not all) they don't think "may have" is enough to justify an immediate death sentence. Self defence is OK though. So we had a famous case where a fleeing burglar was shot in the back by a farmer, and the farmer served some time in prison. That certainly caused some discussion. But home invaders have been killed by homeowners without penalty in other circumstances.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.51&return_msg=41226.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.51"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_52"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_52"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 12:20</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 12:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">52 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.52">41226.52</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.44#a41226_51" target="_self">41226.51</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">how do quotes work now? As in clicking the link at the bottom of a post you want to quote. Or do they just... not)</div> <p>It is odd how they sometimes work. sometimes I forget the quote box and can just paste in highlighted text, sometimes I can't; other times I use the quote box and that red line with the return arrow on it won't let me do anything. I am at a loss. This time of course, everything worked properly.<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">Yeah, believe it or not, and I think this is where each side of the Atlantic blows each other's minds, for a lot of people here (and not all) they don't think "may have" is enough to justify an immediate death sentence. Self defence is OK though.</div> <p>Somebody breaks into my house, I am not waiting to see if he was just eager to present me with flowers. I am assuming he has bad intent by the simple fact he committed a B&E; mind you, at the least it is unlawful entry if a person enters my home without my knowledge or invite, even if the door is not locked or even open. At that point, I do not ask. If it was somebody I knew who needed to get in for any reason, they'd have called. Someone who comes into my house while I and my family sleep will get shot dead assuming I can get my firearm ready in time. If not, I have another suitable weapon ready.<br /><br /> If it sounds a bit whacko to you, just know that the city has been moving closer to the suburbs with every passing year. We have had people have their cars entered (my neighborhood and right next door) and personal effects stolen, homes entered via screens being cut with a knife and valuables stolen. There have also been prowlers in vans looking for young children and/or women.<br /><br /> I expect Santa will come down the chimney on Christmas Eve, so if I hear a noise in the basement that night I will know who it is and go back to sleep if I am not too excited. [g] Other than that, if someone enters my house unannounced and unexpected in the wee hours, I am going to fill my hand fast.<br /><br /> I have to say this though: My brother has a pistol, a semi auto. My brother is a bit of an odd duck and I do not agree with how he carries his gun. He has broken the law technically a couple of times when he has carried it (the way it was done) and he heard shit from me when he did it. I think he should get rid of the gun. Once he left the gun loaded in the glove box of my mom's car and he asked me to retrieve it for him. In my mind, the priviledge or owning and carrying a weapon is overshadowed by the great responsibility automatically to be assumed upon being granted that right. That means not "forgetting" a lethal weapon <em>in someone else's car</em>! also, I believe if one borrows another's car, that person should have a say so whether or not they even want the gun in their car.<br /><br /> I understand why he carries the gun though. when he lived in Philadelphia he actually had some guy try to climb in his front window at night. He lives in a not-too-nice neighborhood now in a semi-suburban environment. I never understood why he chose to live there. He carries the pistol for those reasons (or at least <em>has</em> the gun) and also years ago at work he was attacked by a co-worker who held a knife to his throat. Oddly, the employer never called the polic; I do not recall why my brother did not. In today's environment, a huge lawsuit would have been the result, the offending employee would have been fired and likely improsoned and my brother would have been using the suit money to find a newer, better job. The place has long since closed unrelated to that.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.52&return_msg=41226.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: DeannaG (CYBATRON)<span class="message_time"> 6 Oct 2014 12:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 18:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.53">41226.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.40">41226.40</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm glad you, nor anyone you know, has had such an experience. It's a horrifying thing I wouldn't wish on anyone.<br /><br /> We're in redneck/hillbilly country for the most part. Some things hunted here for eating are deer, rabbits, squirrels, bear, possum, groundhog, turkey, pheasant, and duck. A few have even been known to hunt rattlesnake. Some of what is hunted I'll eat. Some I don't like the taste of and won't. A good many fish as well. Whatever they can do to cut down on expenses and care for family.<br /><br /> This area's job situation has sucked for many years. I know. Some say move, but a lot of these people have family or financial obligations keeping them here, or they simply can't afford to get out. So they do what they can to survive and care for family. Right down to taking to the woods and land to feed them.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.53&return_msg=41226.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41226.54" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>