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But I didn't throw any toys out of the pram (don't use a pram) because I like my toys! They're mine! Mine!<br /><br /> Just like my guns. Our guns. We like them and we will keep them. As has been said, it is kind of ingrained in us to have them. I don't expect you lot to understand why it is important to us, but I am not going to change your minds. I'll continue to discuss it, but all of the quotes about killing with guns won't change much. It is not that I disagree that in some cases it makes it easier to kill somebody, or perhaps more convenient; it also may speak to a premeditated nature or conscious effort on one's part to go get the gun.<br /><br /> We can argue all day long on the wording on the Second Amendment as well, but the fact remains that IF someone had a strong Constitutional argument to eliminate guns, they'd have done it. The Democrats (typically anti-gun) could have attempted it the same way they ramrodded obamacare through. But they didn't because if they did that they'd have a huge, protracted fight on their hands.<br /><br /> The thread title is gun laws. I have already stated that if we in the U.S. would follow and enforce the gun laws we already have, we would be much better off. Gun control is not the same as gun elimination and [some of] you folks seem to think they are one in the same.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.38&return_msg=41226.38" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.38"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_39"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_39"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 12:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Oct 2014 17:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">39 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.39">41226.39</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.32">41226.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I apologise to you if I came across snippy in my last post to you.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.39&return_msg=41226.38" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.39"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_40"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_40"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: JonCooper<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 13:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: DeannaG (CYBATRON) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 12:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">40 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.40">41226.40</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.33">41226.33</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I may be lucky in that I live a LONG way from a lot of the UK and city life, but I don't know of anyone who has had an encounter like you describe<br /><br /> And, there really isn't the hunting aspect here either, at most you'd be talking about rabbits, though usually it would more about pest control than food</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.40&return_msg=41226.38" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.40"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_41"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_41"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 13:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Oct 2014 22:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">41 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.41">41226.41</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.35">41226.35</a></div> <div class="message_body"> In short what I originally said was... <br /> <br /> I may be misinterpreting what you've said but you seem to put across that only bystanders are innocent, rather than the person being aimed at. I generally believe /anyone/ being shot is innocent, no one should be shot. The only time it is maybe acceptable is if they've shot at the police, maybe, but I'm not sure about my views on this. I tend to believe killing someone is bad, irrelevant of what they have done. <br /> <br /> <br /> I think your knives argument is pretty pointless. It's impossible to compare knife crime to gun crime. Saying people will always want to kill people is fine, but guns make it far too easy. <br /> I would 100% prefer someone to try and kill me with a knife rather than a gun. The act of stabbing someone is so much more involved, it takes a totally different mindset to get up close to someone and stab them. There are less people capable of those actions than there are people who would be able to pull the trigger. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.41&return_msg=41226.38" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.41"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_42"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_42"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: johngti_mk-ii<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 14:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Oct 2014 15:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">42 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.42">41226.42</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.38#a41226_41" target="_self">41226.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Pointless. Knife. <\bringing the tone down></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.42&return_msg=41226.38" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.42"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_43"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_43"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 15:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: johngti_mk-ii <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Oct 2014 16:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">43 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.43">41226.43</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.38#a41226_42" target="_self">41226.42</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I did mention the pun in my original post <span class="emoticon e_embarrassed" title=":$"><span class="e__">:$</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.43&return_msg=41226.38" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.43"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_44"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_44"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 17:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Oct 2014 22:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">44 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.44">41226.44</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.38#a41226_39" target="_self">41226.39</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Quite alright, it's an emotive issue.<br /><br /> I would be interested as to what you meant by:<br /> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">BTW, adjusted for per 100K is bullshit and you know it.</span></div> <br /> Though.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.44&return_msg=41226.38" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.44"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><div class="message"> Message 41226.45 was deleted</div> <a name="a41226_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 20:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">46 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.46">41226.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's virtually pointless having a transatlantic discussion on gun law. We don't want US gun law, the US doesn't want ours; but it's Ok, because we each have our own, not each other's. If anybody is unhappy with their own country's gun law, they have every right to debate and to lobby their government to change their country's laws. But they have fuck all right to lobby other country's governments in order to change laws that don't apply to them.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.46&return_msg=41226.38" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 5 Oct 2014 20:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 6 Oct 2014 10:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.47">41226.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.38#a41226_46" target="_self">41226.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Tru dat. No point continuing! </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.47&return_msg=41226.38" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41226.48" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>