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I have scruples, y'see... Even though I exercise my right to own a gun, I respect your desire not to have one. And I understand why; I really do. Somewhere in the middle the answer lies.<br /><br /> I am not prostitute.<br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.157&return_msg=41226.156" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.157"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_158"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_158"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">24 Jan 2016 20:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 24 Jan 2016 22:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">158 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.158">41226.158</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.155">41226.155</a></div> <div class="message_body"> According to [U.S.] Government (!) statistics, of the 30,000 gun deaths a year, 2/3 are suicides.<br /><br /> Some people apparently just need killin'. <span class="emoticon e_rabbit" title=":-B"><span class="e__">:-B</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.158&return_msg=41226.156" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.158"> <span class="rating">-1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_159"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_159"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 05:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">159 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.159">41226.159</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <img alt="" src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVyypgxWcAIV8Fq.jpg" /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.159&return_msg=41226.156" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.159"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><div class="message"> Message 41226.160 was deleted</div> <a name="a41226_161"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_161"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 16:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 Jan 2016 19:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">161 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.161">41226.161</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.156#a41226_158" target="_self">41226.158</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.158">fixrman</a></div> <div class="quote">According to [U.S.] Government (!) statistics, of the 30,000 gun deaths a year, 2/3 are suicides.<br /><br /> Some people apparently just need killin'. <span class="emoticon e_rabbit" title=":-B"><span class="e__"><span class="emoticon e_rabbit" title=":-B"><span class="e__">:-B</span></span></span></span></div> <p>My guess is that a substantial number of the rest are police shootings.<br /><br /> In a related note, I saw that as of 2015, the police have seized more money from civilians, without a trial or being accused of a crime, than money stolen by "criminals". Literally, they stop cars going down the road and ask if they are carrying large amounts of cash - then just take it.<br /><br /> The money is split up among police agencies to cover "costs".<br /><br /> In case anyone wonders, it is nearly impossible to recover this money.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.161&return_msg=41226.156" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.161"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_162"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_162"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 19:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Harry (HARRYN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Feb 2016 18:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">162 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.162">41226.162</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.156#a41226_161" target="_self">41226.161</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">In a related note, I saw that as of 2015, the police have seized more money from civilians, without a trial or being accused of a crime, than money stolen by "criminals". Literally, they stop cars going down the road and ask if they are carrying large amounts of cash - then just take it.</div> <p>Not that I don't believe you - because I do believe that police are only just the other side of the line of being criminal (takes a thief to catch a thief) - but where did you "saw that"?<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">The money is split up among police agencies to cover "costs".</div> <p>Umm, that one I do NOT believe. If you said that police <em>officers</em> split it up to cover costs - namely, their personal mortgages and vehicle expenses - that, I would believe. Also, if it was reported in the news, those same officers are likely in jail now for committing a crime.<br /><br /> And you lot wonder why USians would want guns? If we give up our guns, who protects us from those who are supposed to protect us? Hmmm?<br /> </p> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote">In case anyone wonders, it is nearly impossible to recover this money.</div> <p>Well, now that your investigative reporting has revealed it, at least it can be stopped and the thieves tried. Either that, or we are going to slide lower on the Corruption Scale (U.S. is ranked 16th worldwide).<br /><br /> Do post your source.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.162&return_msg=41226.156" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.162"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_163"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_163"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">31 Jan 2016 20:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Feb 2016 12:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">163 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.163">41226.163</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.156#a41226_162" target="_self">41226.162</a></div> <div class="message_body"> There have been numerous reports about it. It's called civil forfeiture. Here's a couple to start with<br /><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/10/11/asset-seizures-fuel-police-spending/">http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/10/11/asset-seizures-fuel-police-spending/</a><br /> <a href="http://www.vice.com/read/the-police-can-take-your-cash-without-charging-you-with-a-crime">http://www.vice.com/read/the-police-can-take-your-cash-without-charging-you-with-a-crime</a><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 31 Jan 2016 20:11 by MILKO</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.163&return_msg=41226.156" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.163"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_164"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_164"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: fixrman<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2016 12:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Feb 2016 13:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">164 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.164">41226.164</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.156#a41226_163" target="_self">41226.163</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Very interesting and also predictable - baldly relating a story. Yes, forfeitures can happen, and certainly they do, but people are not without recourse. Trust me, if someone is [stupidly] carrying excessive amounts of cash in their vehicle or on their person, there could be an illegal reason why. People carrying large amounts of cash legally will do something about it. People carrying large amounts of cash illegally likely will not, and they probably will be charged with something as soon as the cops find out what illegal act(s) were committed.<br /><br /> Also very interesting is the second link where the article describes police running amok in situations, overreacting or performing illegal acts in the name of police work.<br /><br /> I suspect that if Americans gave up all their guns, police would return to their "To Protect and to Serve" role... <span class="emoticon e_fail" title="(fail)"><span class="e__">(fail)</span></span><br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 1 Feb 2016 12:14 by FIXRMAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.164&return_msg=41226.156" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.164"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41226_165"></a><div class="message" id="message_41226_165"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Harry (HARRYN)<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2016 18:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2016 03:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">165 of 177</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.165">41226.165</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41226.156#a41226_164" target="_self">41226.164</a></div> <div class="message_body"> There are a lot of people who don't trust banks, especially after the past 10 years.<br /><br /> We have all watched what happened in Greece, where a government that was spending more than it took in, and was up to its eyeballs from bailing out banks, used deposited cash as "their own money".<br /><br /> People stood in lines at ATMs - every day, so that they could pull enough cash to buy groceries.<br /><br /> No matter if we agree or not, there are many migrants in the US, and many of them cannot even open a bank account.<br /><br /> I can think of a lot of reasons to not put your money in a bank and keep at least some of it as cash, and they don't involve doing anything particularly illegal, except for maybe having some side jobs. In any event, if they are convicted of a crime, then seizing property is one thing, but taking people's possessions, without other strong proof, or just for minor crimes is not right.<br /><br /> Owning a knife or gun is not proof or even cause that I might have committed a crime. Same with carrying cash.<br /><br /> Imagine the situation where a single Mom tries to make ends meet by engaging in prostitution. We don't like to talk about it, but it happens, it is a crime, and it is all done in cash. Is it really the correct response by police departments to seize this poor woman's hard earned cash, just because she is vulnerable ?<br /><br /> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 1 Feb 2016 19:01 by HARRYN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41226.165&return_msg=41226.156" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41226.165"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="41226.166" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>