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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.0&return_msg=41193.52"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.41">41–50</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.51">51–60</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.61">61–70</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.81">81–88</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=41193.52">obama's speech</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="41193_52_88_10"> <div class="message"> Message 41193.52 was deleted</div> <a name="a41193_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 07:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: fixrman <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 12:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.53">41193.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.50">41193.50</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What is wrong with abortion being used as a form birth control when required?<br /><br /><br /> From a medical/physical POV I can see there being an issue, as well as from a psychological POV.<br /><br /> But otherwise, what is the issue?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.53&return_msg=41193.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_54"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_54"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 08:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 08:07"></span></span> <span class="message_count">54 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.54">41193.54</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.52#a41193_53" target="_self">41193.53</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I was stating a personal ethical belief there (hence 'I believe') rather than trying to make any sort of objective argument. I, myself, would not want to have an abortion for the same reason I won't kill insects. I don't believe I have a right to do those things. But I don't believe that holding that belief gives <em>me</em> the right to tell anyone else what to do or judge them for whatever they do. I don't see it as an absolute moral issue (as the Catholic Church does, for example), just my personal ethical choice.<br /><br /> And I did say they have every right to use it in such a way if they really want to. Though I'd argue that if it really is used in lieu of other forms of birth control (i.e. the decisions is made upfront to use abortion instead of condoms or whatever) then that's a pretty wasteful use of resources.<br /><br /> (Sorry if that sounds snappy. Reading it back it sounds a bit snappy but I don't mean it that way)<br /><br /><br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.54&return_msg=41193.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.54"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_55"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_55"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 08:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 08:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">55 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.55">41193.55</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.52#a41193_54" target="_self">41193.54</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That was addressed to Fixrman!<br /><br /> I don't have an issue with your view because you don't believe you have the right to force it upon others.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.55&return_msg=41193.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.55"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_56"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_56"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 08:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 08:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">56 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.56">41193.56</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.52#a41193_55" target="_self">41193.55</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hah. I have absolutely no idea why I thought that post was to me -_-</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.56&return_msg=41193.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.56"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_57"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_57"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 09:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 09:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">57 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.57">41193.57</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.52#a41193_53" target="_self">41193.53</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><strong>Quote:</strong> </div> <div class="quote"><span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">From a medical/physical POV I can see there being an issue, as well as from a psychological POV.</span><br style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);" /><br style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);" /><span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">But otherwise, what is the issue?</span></div> <br /> So, apart from physically and mentally, what's the issue? What's left for there to be an issue with?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.57&return_msg=41193.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.57"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_58"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_58"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 09:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 10:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">58 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.58">41193.58</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.52#a41193_57" target="_self">41193.57</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If you consider it to be an issue, there could be a moral/ethical issue.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.58&return_msg=41193.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="41193.58"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a41193_59"></a><div class="message" id="message_41193_59"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">17 Sep 2014 09:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 17 Sep 2014 09:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">59 of 88</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.59">41193.59</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.52#a41193_54" target="_self">41193.54</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"><b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=41193.54">X3N0PH0N</a></div> <div class="quote">I, myself, would not want to have an abortion</div> <p>You can't have an abortion, you haven't got a womb<br /> </reg></p> <div class="edit_text">EDITED: 17 Sep 2014 09:41 by MR_BASTARD</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=41193.59&return_msg=41193.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" 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