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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.0&return_msg=40913.25"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.41">41–49</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=40913.25">Computer reboot</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="40913_25_49_10"> <a name="a40913_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2014 21:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Feb 2014 21:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">25 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.25">40913.25</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.22">40913.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's a bit of a reversal from what you were saying before. I think I might as well try it out for a bit. Be nice to have my main drive back as C instead of D too, not sure how that happened.<br /> <br /> Not heard Windows rot before. I find a fresh install is always better running than one a couple of years old.<br /> <br /> More positive feedback on here than I was expecting. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.25&return_msg=40913.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 1 Feb 2014 21:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Chris (CHRISSS) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Feb 2014 22:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">26 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.26">40913.26</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.25#a40913_25" target="_self">40913.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, I still maintain that the changes they made were not for improvement but just for the sake of change and to be able to sell it as a new OS. They are hell bent on one OS for all devices, and I'm just not sure if that's the correct approach or not. I guess time will tell. But for the way I use it 99% of the time it's just Windows 7 + 1.1!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.26&return_msg=40913.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 08:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 08:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">27 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.27">40913.27</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.16">40913.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> "it's obvious 8.1 is what Microsoft were aiming for"<br /> <br /> Really? IIRC at least some of the changes in 8.1 (such as boot to desktop and a vestigial start menu) were apparently introduced in response to 'customer feedback' (i.e. people hated what they'd been given instead).<br /> <br /> Whether the W7 start menu is useful or not is, of course, a matter of personal opinion. Personally I prefer the W7 version to the rather half-hearted sop included in W8.1. Yes there are third-party alternatives out there that are popular. That in itself should have told Microsoft something.<br /> <br /> But even with the boot to desktop and being able to sleep/shutdown without having to incant the charms bar it's still not good enough IMO. The charms bar cannot be fully disabled, and I found it popping up unnecessarily when mousing to the top and bottom of fully expanded windows. And the flat metro look still encroaches even if you do your best to get rid of it. I recognise that it's a matter of personal opinion, but I find metro rather offensively ugly.<br /> <br /> I only hope that Apple learn the folly of taking convergence to its brain dead extreme and recognise that there are some things in iOS that simply should be different in OS X.<br /> <br /> (BTW is it just me? I find that adding a new paragraph in the desktop version of BH requires three or four returns while lite mode only requires two)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.27&return_msg=40913.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 08:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 09:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.28">40913.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.17">40913.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yes, that pause is annoying. I wouldn't mind if it showed y the programs first quickly then searched through documents and stuff.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.28&return_msg=40913.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 09:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 09:10"></span></span> <span class="message_count">29 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.29">40913.29</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.16">40913.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I do both of those, depending how close my hand is to the keyboard. Maybe more often I use the mouse. But most of what I use is pinned to the taskbar.<br /> <br /> The 7 list of programs is less easy to find something if you're not sure what it is called then the XP list with everything showing.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.29&return_msg=40913.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 09:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 10:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.30">40913.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.25#a40913_27" target="_self">40913.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yes, the return of the persistent start button and boot to desktop are obvious backtracks, but the changes to the search on the start screen and the ability to add smaller tiles are things that should have been there from the word go. A lot of the changes to 8.1 only came about after Steven Sinofsky "resigned" and was replaced with the Windows 8 Mobile team leader, who almost bought with him most of his UX/UI and technical team.<br /><br /> It is odd how you have problems with the Charms bar always popping up, I tend to have problems with it not appearing when I want it to, but I think that might be more to do with my dual monitors and that when I try to make it appear I'm always trying to do it on my left-hand monitor. The Charms bar only opens for me if I move the mouse to the bottom right, not sure if that is an 8.1 change or a peculiarity to dual monitor set ups.<br /><br /> Apple have been treading the down the path of converging the desktop and mobile platforms for much longer than Microsoft have been seen to be doing. However, they do seem to have slowed down their conversion of Mac OS into an iOS for the desktop though and I can't help but wonder if that is because they've been keeping a close eye on the criticism of Windows 8. I do think it's something that will eventually become all OSes though as even Linux (Ubuntu at least) is heading down this route of a single UI for all platforms.<br /><br /> (Beehive doesn't actually do paragraphs, pressing enter should insert an <br> tag each time. On Mobile, enter inserts a new line which are then converted to <br> later.)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.30&return_msg=40913.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_31"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_31"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 10:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 10:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">31 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.31">40913.31</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.25#a40913_30" target="_self">40913.30</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"> <b>Quote:</b></div> <div class="quote"> It is odd how you have problems with the Charms bar always popping up, I tend to have problems with it not appearing when I want it to, but I think that might be more to do with my dual monitors and that when I try to make it appear I'm always trying to do it on my left-hand monitor. The Charms bar only opens for me if I move the mouse to the bottom right, not sure if that is an 8.1 change or a peculiarity to dual monitor set ups.</div> <p> The charms bar is a strange thing. I had problems getting to show when I wanted it, and problems getting it to not show when I didn't. Rather like some idiot cousin it seemed to do the opposite of what was needed. IMO the whole implementation was retarded. There was a hack (registry? I can't remember now) to stop it showing up when mousing to the middle right of the screen, but I still couldn't disable it properly, even what it was no longer needed (i.e. when the lightweight start menu introduced a more user-friendly way of shutting down.)</p> <div class="quotetext"> <b>Quote:</b></div> <div class="quote"> Apple have been treading the down the path of converging the desktop and mobile platforms for much longer than Microsoft have been seen to be doing. However, they do seem to have slowed down their conversion of Mac OS into an iOS for the desktop though and I can't help but wonder if that is because they've been keeping a close eye on the criticism of Windows 8. I do think it's something that will eventually become all OSes though as even Linux (Ubuntu at least) is heading down this route of a single UI for all platforms.</div> <p> Oh yes, and not all of it's been good. But hopefully now that idiot Forstall been shown the gutter things will improve. I think MS looked at what Apple were doing and tried to beat them to the logical conclusion, thereby showing the world how unhelpful the logical conclusion is. What works on a mobile device doesn't necessarily work on a desktop (et v.v.). I can't imagine why anyone would've thought otherwise. hey ho.</p> <div class="quotetext"> <b>Quote:</b></div> <div class="quote"> (Beehive doesn't actually do paragraphs, pressing enter should insert an <br> tag each time. On Mobile, enter inserts a new line which are then converted to <br> later.)</div> <p> Yeah, I realise that BH creates the visual representation of paragraphs by inserting line breaks. What I meant was that in order to create this effect on mobile I pressed return twice. But on desktop I have to do it three or four times (just tested...this is IE10 on W7). The first return gets a new line, then two or three may be needed for the next line.<br /><br /> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.31&return_msg=40913.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.31"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_32"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_32"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 10:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 10:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">32 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.32">40913.32</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.25#a40913_30" target="_self">40913.30</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Actually I would say I have started using the keyboard search a lot more than I used to after realising how much quicker it can be to find certain things, like strange options hidden in the control panel.<br /> <br /> Are the sites selling Windows 8 keys genuine? Seems you can get a key for 8 Pro for about $40-$45.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.32&return_msg=40913.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.32"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_33"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_33"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 10:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 14:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">33 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.33">40913.33</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.25#a40913_31" target="_self">40913.31</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm confused. That's all you should be doing on desktop too. When you press enter you should be getting a <br> on desktop and a \n on mobile (because mobile is plain text). These never get converted to paragraphs anywhere. The only thing Beehive does is use PHP's nl2br method to convert the \n in mobile content into <br> tags.<br /><br /> When we first switched to CKEditor it did, but people were used to the old method of pressing enter twice so I switched it to that option, plus with CKEditor not supporting mobiles this was the only consistent way for it to work.<br /><br /> I only have IE11 here and it seems to behave the same way Firefox does, not sure if there is something about IE10 that makes it behave differently. There is a seemingly odd quirk that makes a new line appear the moment you start typing, but it goes away again shortly after.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.33&return_msg=40913.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.33"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40913_34"></a><div class="message" id="message_40913_34"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 2 Feb 2014 11:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Chris (CHRISSS) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Feb 2014 11:04"></span></span> <span class="message_count">34 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.34">40913.34</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40913.25#a40913_32" target="_self">40913.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Why not buy one and find out? <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":P"><span class="e__">:P</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40913.34&return_msg=40913.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40913.34"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="40913.35" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>