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It's ridiculously hard or obscure to do simple things (like working out how to install it without a Microsoft account). <br /><br /> It's put a water mark on my desktop because secure boot is turned off.<br /><br /> The metro apps that default to opening things are completely wank and either don't work, or they're so hard to use you just /think/ they don't . Like the default image viewer: you have to hold down control and use the mouse wheel to zoom in/out. Why? mouse wheel on its own does nothing, so it's not like it's a modifier to extend available functions. And setting an image as a desktop backgroun? You might think you should open it up and choose 'set as desktop background'. But oh no, you can only set it as a /lock screen/ if you fucking open it. If you want to set it as a desktop background you have to right click it in explorer and choose 'set as desktop background' there. But you can't set it as lock screen that way, that'd be too simple.<br /><br /> And this is the second 8.1 laptop that I've had serious issues with Wifi on, and a quick google suggests I'm not alone. I don't know what they've done to the way it's handled, but on tracy's laptop it randomly drops out, or reduces the speed to a crawl: a torrent can go for over 1MB/s to 100k/s, turn wifi off and on again and boom - straight back to 1MB/s for about 5 minutes or so, then it slows back down until you turn wifi off... ect.<br /><br /> [...continue reading...]<br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40856.22&return_msg=40856.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40856.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40856_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_40856_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 7 Feb 2014 12:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Feb 2014 12:55"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 66</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.23">40856.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.21#a40856_22" target="_self">40856.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Oh, and installing the driver for 'Airplane mode'* can't be done via Device Manager**, as Windows complains the driver isn't meant for this platform. Yet running the installer for it it installs fine.<br /><br /><br /> *wtf? Why does airplane mode need a driver?!<br /><br /> **this may be due to the driver rather than windows, but windows should either accept the driver or not<br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40856.23&return_msg=40856.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40856.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40856_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_40856_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 7 Feb 2014 12:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">24 of 66</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.24">40856.24</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Sounds like I'm glad to have never bothered with Win 8/8.1. Which leads me to my next question.<br /><br /> Does Jim have a Windows 7 AIO style ISO available these days? Basically so I can install 7 Ultimate 64bit.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40856.24&return_msg=40856.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40856.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40856_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_40856_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time"> 7 Feb 2014 14:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Feb 2014 14:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">25 of 66</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.25">40856.25</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.21#a40856_22" target="_self">40856.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext"> <b>quote:</b> <a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.22">Hugh et al le J (KOSWIX)</a></div> <div class="quote"> There's no consistency or thought put into the interface. It's ridiculously hard or obscure to do simple things (like working out how to install it without a Microsoft account). <br /><br /><strong>I'll give you that one, but it is easy enough once you know how. And they do it directly because that want people to link their devices so that your Metro apps follow you etc</strong><br /><br /> It's put a water mark on my desktop because secure boot is turned off.<br /><br /><strong>Never seen that, but why do you need to disable secure boot anyway?</strong><br /><br /> The metro apps that default to opening things are completely wank and either don't work, or they're so hard to use you just /think/ they don't . Like the default image viewer: you have to hold down control and use the mouse wheel to zoom in/out. Why? mouse wheel on its own does nothing, so it's not like it's a modifier to extend available functions. And setting an image as a desktop backgroun? You might think you should open it up and choose 'set as desktop background'. But oh no, you can only set it as a /lock screen/ if you fucking open it. If you want to set it as a desktop background you have to right click it in explorer and choose 'set as desktop background' there. But you can't set it as lock screen that way, that'd be too simple.<br /><br /><strong>I forgot to say - totally forget about Metro and continue to enjoy your new Operating System. Win 8 has loads of little touches that make it nicer than Windows 7 in its normal desktop mode. Literally, just forget everything about Metro.</strong><br /><br /> And this is the second 8.1 laptop that I've had serious issues with Wifi on, and a quick google suggests I'm not alone. I don't know what they've done to the way it's handled, but on tracy's laptop it randomly drops out, or reduces the speed to a crawl: a torrent can go for over 1MB/s to 100k/s, turn wifi off and on again and boom - straight back to 1MB/s for about 5 minutes or so, then it slows back down until you turn wifi off... ect.<br /><br /><strong>Not seen this, either, sorry.</strong></div> <p> </p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40856.25&return_msg=40856.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40856.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40856_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_40856_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time"> 7 Feb 2014 14:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Feb 2014 14:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">26 of 66</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.26">40856.26</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.21#a40856_22" target="_self">40856.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Have you done Windows Update?<br /><br /> <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2902864">http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2902864</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40856.26&return_msg=40856.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40856.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40856_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_40856_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time"> 7 Feb 2014 14:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">27 of 66</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.27">40856.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm not getting at you by the way - but I'm finding Windows 8 to be fine. I've had it on my laptop and Jane has it on hers - both are just vanilla installs straight from the CD (Well, USB stick) and I've not had any issues. Jane's laptop didn't even need any drivers installing.<br /><br /> So, I dunno what the fuck they've done to your install, but I'd hazard that it's not indicative of your average PC. <br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40856.27&return_msg=40856.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40856.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40856_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_40856_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 7 Feb 2014 14:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Feb 2014 14:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 66</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.28">40856.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.21#a40856_27" target="_self">40856.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've done a clean install, but I'm still fiddling and setting stuff up. I plan on ignoring metro as far as possible (not got round to finding out how to boot to desktop), but to do that I have to spend hours finding alternatives to the metro apps - like the photo viewer. Most files want to open in Metro by default, and it's no pleasant task switching them all over.<br /><br /> It may well be fine, or at least acceptable, once that's all done - but the fact that you have to do it at all to get a functioning desktop computer is not just annoying, but really really shitly thought out.<br /><br /> But I must point out that your first post should be updated to say "there's nothing wrong with Windows 8 /apart from it's most invasive and heavily marketed features/".<br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40856.28&return_msg=40856.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40856.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40856_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_40856_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time"> 7 Feb 2014 14:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Feb 2014 14:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">29 of 66</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.29">40856.29</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.21#a40856_28" target="_self">40856.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> To get to the desktop just right click the taskbar and it's in "Properties" somewhere. With regards to default apps - all of the old Windows ones are there. Just right click on a picture and choose Open With -> Windows Picture Viewer. It's kind of annoying, but there's only a handful of files you'll need to change - it's not really a hardship to catch as you go along.<br /><br /> I've not had to "find" alternatives to Metro apps apart from installing my usual Office shit.<br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40856.29&return_msg=40856.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40856.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40856_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_40856_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time"> 7 Feb 2014 17:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Feb 2014 18:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 66</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.30">40856.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40856.21#a40856_28" target="_self">40856.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You'll lave the charms bar, that's a barrel of fucking laughs, an' no mistake guvnor.<br /><br /><br /></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40856.30&return_msg=40856.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40856.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="40856.31" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>