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href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.41">41–50</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.51">51–60</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.391">391–392</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=39777.41">Alan's Psychadelic Earthquake Breakfast</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="39777_41_392_10"> <a name="a39777_41"></a><div class="message" id="message_39777_41"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 4 Aug 2012 11:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Al JunioR (53NORTH) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2012 16:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">41 of 392</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.41">39777.41</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.40">39777.40</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Olympics<br /> weird<br /> looking<br /> ?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39777.41&return_msg=39777.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39777.41"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39777_42"></a><div class="message" id="message_39777_42"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 4 Aug 2012 12:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Al JunioR (53NORTH) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2012 16:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">42 of 392</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.42">39777.42</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.40">39777.40</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Please show me where Beijing admitted this.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39777.42&return_msg=39777.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39777.42"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39777_43"></a><div class="message" id="message_39777_43"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 4 Aug 2012 12:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2012 12:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">43 of 392</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.43">39777.43</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.41#a39777_42" target="_self">39777.42</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409794/weather-engineering-in-china/">http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409794/weather-engineering-in-china/</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39777.43&return_msg=39777.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39777.43"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39777_44"></a><div class="message" id="message_39777_44"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 4 Aug 2012 12:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2012 12:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">44 of 392</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.44">39777.44</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.41#a39777_42" target="_self">39777.42</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Weather_Modification_Office">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Weather_Modification_Office</a></div><div class="quote">The work of the Office is largely aimed at hailstorm prevention or making rain to end droughts;<br /> ...<br /> Their technology was also used to create snow on New Year's Day in 1997.<br /> ...<br /> they were enlisted by the Chinese government to ensure that the 2008 Summer Olympics are free of rain<br /> ...<br /> Other proposed future uses for induced precipitation include lowering temperatures in summer, in hopes of reducing electricity consumption.</div><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 4 Aug 2012 12:59 by BOUGHTONP</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39777.44&return_msg=39777.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39777.44"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39777_45"></a><div class="message" id="message_39777_45"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 4 Aug 2012 12:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2012 12:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">45 of 392</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.45">39777.45</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.41#a39777_43" target="_self">39777.43</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's cloud seeding. That's... mild tampering with the weather.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39777.45&return_msg=39777.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39777.45"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39777_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_39777_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 4 Aug 2012 13:04</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2012 13:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">46 of 392</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.46">39777.46</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.41#a39777_45" target="_self">39777.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> So you're saying that making sure clouds rain before/after a specific area is <em>not</em> controlling the weather for that area?<br /> <br /> Or are you just disappointed because it's not <em>total</em> control, and you wanted to find out they had a magic machine that could muster up a thunderstorm just by pulling a lever?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39777.46&return_msg=39777.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39777.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39777_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_39777_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time"> 4 Aug 2012 13:16</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2012 13:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 392</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.47">39777.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.41#a39777_46" target="_self">39777.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's semantics, but I wouldn't really consider faffing around with clouds isn't really the same as making changes to a huge weather system. It's kind of like calling a bit of gardening terraforming. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39777.47&return_msg=39777.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39777.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39777_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_39777_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 4 Aug 2012 13:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2012 13:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 392</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.48">39777.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.41#a39777_46" target="_self">39777.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What Dan said. 53 was implying a more profound weather control, talking about cloud systems over Island influencing weather in London.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39777.48&return_msg=39777.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39777.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39777_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_39777_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 4 Aug 2012 13:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2012 13:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 392</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.49">39777.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.41#a39777_47" target="_self">39777.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The phrase "total control" (etc) exists because simply "control" itself is NOT defined as being absolute, or even significant.<br /> <br /> Control is specifically described as "power to influence or guide" and "a means of limitation", and thus faffing with clouds is well within the acceptable description of "controlling the weather", because the weather was influenced and limited by not raining over the designated area.<br /> <br /> Nobody made any claims about being in total control of huge weather systems.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39777.49&return_msg=39777.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39777.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39777_50"></a><div class="message" id="message_39777_50"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 4 Aug 2012 13:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Aug 2012 14:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">50 of 392</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.50">39777.50</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39777.41#a39777_48" target="_self">39777.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Was he? You're reading that the "massive weird" system (no mention of clouds) is being claimed to be man-made because you want to believe that (or at least believe that he believes it).<br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Beijing admitted it was controlling the weather for their Olympics, but all we see is a strange system over Eire, luckily keeping the weather reasonable for ours.</div><br /> See?<br /> <br /> You've already complained that he's acting too much like a fortune teller or astrologer, with wishy washy statements that don't mean anything, but now <em>you're</em> trying to pin down those statements by injecting them with your own meaning, instead of taking them at face value.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 4 Aug 2012 13:41 by BOUGHTONP</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39777.50&return_msg=39777.41" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39777.50"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="39777.51" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>