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It's appropriate, then, to provide a little audio cue, a subtle one, just enough to break through any distraction and let you know your favourite programme has started.<br /> <br /> If I put a podcast on I know it's on because I put it on. Any jingle is, at <i>very fucking best</i> superfluous. And more likely annoying, grating, amateurish and embarrassing. Not just its form but the mere fact of its existence.<br /> <br /> Overproducing this, aping the forms of professional media with neither the context necessary to give that meaning nor the skill to pull it off will result in an embarrassing mess.<br /> <br /> I'm not sure the podcast needs heavily delineated sections, let alone more fucking jingles demarcating them. "Right then, let's talk about films" is more than adequate and will sound roughly infinity times less shit.<br /> <br /> If you want this to be entertaining in the way that watching people who can't sing but think they can sing audition on x-factor is entertaining then go for it.<br /> <br /> If you want it to actually be any good then worry about content. Try actually having a discussion rather than just listing shit. You can worry about production when you have something to produce.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.8&return_msg=39687.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 14:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.9">39687.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.7#a39687_8" target="_self">39687.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not had much sleep?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.9&return_msg=39687.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 14:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.10">39687.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.7#a39687_9" target="_self">39687.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ha. Not had enough tea.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.10&return_msg=39687.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 14:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Oscarvarium (OZGUR) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.11">39687.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.6">39687.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>How about just fading the track out as you get off topic, then fading back in once you're all onto the next one?</p> <p> </p> <p>That way you cut out any unnecessary stuff and leaves a distinct audio cue for the next section. </p> <p> </p> <p>Plus Xen'll be happy.</p> <p> </p> <p> </p><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 10 Jul 2012 14:06 by GRAPHITONE</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.11&return_msg=39687.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 14:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:10"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.12">39687.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.7#a39687_11" target="_self">39687.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That would be far more appropriate, yeah.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.12&return_msg=39687.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 14:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.13">39687.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.7#a39687_11" target="_self">39687.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What would be really good would be for Xen to record a commentary track discussing what's just been discussed, with himself, and layer it over the boring bits and jingles.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.13&return_msg=39687.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 14:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dr Nick (FOZZA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 16:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.14">39687.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1">39687.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> (this is mainly in response to your proposed schedule in the other thread, but it's more relevant here)<br /> <br /> As I said elsewhere, you make a good host. You're affable and articulate and able to keep shit moving.<br /> <br /> You need to ask better questions though. Asking people what they've watched/played/whatever is unlikely to result in interesting answers.<br /> <br /> Listening to people list and describe the media they've been consuming is not remotely interesting. If it were of interest to me there are a million sources where I could've found that information framed more competently.<br /> <br /> This is going to be a million times worse if you specify particular media objects to talk about. Unless I happen to be the world's most rabid fan of one of those games/whatever then it's quite clearly going to be of very little interest.<br /> <br /> If you want to talk about games and films and stuff then fine, but <i>talk about</i> them. Don't just list and describe. What's the best experience you've ever had in a game? What should games do? Should games tell us stories or should they provide us with the tools to tell stories ourselves? Are games culturally important? Why are adolescent power fantasies even more prevalent in games than in films? Do games need to grow the fuck up? How are games and films different? How does having agency in games differentiate them from film? What does this mean for narrative? etc. etc. Those are just off the top of my head, obviously, but you get the idea.<br /> <br /> Discussions and stories and debate and things which are obviously inherently interesting, will be interesting.<br /> <br /> I mean ideally you'd forget this 'games/films/gadgets' thing altogether and just talk about stuff. I mean, for example, say everyone who joins the podcast comes with 3 questions to ask. Not questions necessarily, but things that can actually be discussed and explored - an interesting/funny but of news or something that happened to them in tescos or... whatever. Just something a bit more dynamic and interesting than "I watched spiderman. It is a about a man who can climb on walls. He wore a red suit. It was not very good because the story was not very good and the acting was not very good. You?".<br /> <br /> (also, and this is more subjective, I think you should drop talking about music. It's a hard topic to discuss in a non-boring "I have listened to x, they are a bit like y but with more guitars" way)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.14&return_msg=39687.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Oscarvarium (OZGUR)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 14:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:52"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.15">39687.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.7#a39687_8" target="_self">39687.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I see your point, and I do think that even well-composed "jingles" would feel pretty out of place. I was thinking more of 15-30 seconds of intro/outro music, with snippets of it played between segments. I don't know if you'd count that as a jingle or not.</p> <p> </p> <p>Unless you dispense with structure and just let it be a rambly conversation (which might be fine, that's what makes a great Teh thread after all), then you'd need to either find an organic way to segue from one topic to another or use the jarring "okay enough about games, lets talk about music" kind of line. The fade-out thing might work but it could be a bit strange, especially if you're trying to hear what's being said as it fades.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.15&return_msg=39687.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 14:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.16">39687.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.7#a39687_13" target="_self">39687.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p><span class="emoticon e_grin" title=":D"><span class="e__">:D</span></span> </p> <p> </p> <p>Nice idea. So, it should a podcast and Xen's critque of the podcast subtly overlaid over the top - that could be enhanced by having him voice opinions etc. live while teh podcast is being recorded. He'd be present but very quietly talking in the background offering words of wisdom on what's just been said. </p> <p> </p> <p>It'd be like being haunted by a verbose poltergeist. Every so often the participants could try to exorcise him. <span class="emoticon e_plain" title=":-|"><span class="e__">:-|</span></span></p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.16&return_msg=39687.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="39687.17" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>