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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.0&return_msg=39687.1"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.11">11–20</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.51">51–53</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=39687.1">Making Teh Podcast Better</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="39687_1_53_10"> <a name="a39687_1"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_1"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dr Nick (FOZZA)<span class="message_time"> 9 Jul 2012 21:04</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">1 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1">39687.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hey All, ( Apologies for the length of this post. )<br /> <br /> Massive thanks again for the feedback on the first podcast.<br /> We all had a feeling it was going to be ropey and I think its fair to say it was..<br /> <br /> Every Journey has to start with a first step, and this was ours. It was the foundation upon which....oh hang on Xen banned us from talking in cliches!<br /> <br /> So we are off the mark! Episode 1 is in the can ( I really can't help it, I am a walking cliche soundboard!).<br /> <br /> Moving forward we need to look at how we can improve the cast and build it into something that hopeful not only appeals to Teh members but to the wider web audience at large, first we conquer iTunes, then the world...<br /> <br /> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> <i>(tldnr - This is the process we followed to record the show, help us make it better...)</i><br /> <br /> Firstly it would be good to try and get some ideas on how to produce the show.<br /> The first cast was recorded using Skype to conference and then each party recording their own speaking inputs only which were then email to one person to piece back together and edit into a whole show using Audacity.<br /> <br /> - This was done because a quick search on the web suggested that this was the best way to get quality audio from all parties. If we tried to record the conference as a single sound file it would have suffered from brown outs due to internet connection issue which are inherent when skyping. This is what the web said but we did not try it so cant say it we found it to be the case. <br /> <br /> - In editing the results there were a few issues: <br /> <br /> The first being trying to stitch all the tracks together so that they ran coherently. To do this we had one member count us down to press record on audacity at the same time and then each person counted to five. These counts were easy to distinguish on the recording in audacity and allowed the tracks to be matched up.<br /> <br /> The second issue was down to echo. This obviously happened when a host was using external speaker to listen to skype or just getting bleed from the headphones into the mic. To solve this although i confess not 100% I went through the podcast highlighting the parts of the track where a host was not speaking and created silence in that section overwriting the echo. This took the best part of 2 hours.<br /> <br /> Finally it was a bit of a challenge to match the levels of each person. Oscar had recorded very low so need his gain increased a lot. Patch was turned up so high I could hear each drag on his cigarette, I was somewhere in between the two.<br /> <br /> We all felt (as I'm sure people listening to the show did too) that we meandered in sections. As I mentioned in the other post I think creating a show running order on Google Docs and populating during the week with it being the hosts responsibility to look at and add topics and research the one up for discussion. This should reduce the rabbit in the headlight moments that occurred.<br /> <br /> To those people that suggested that actually some of the best bits about the cast were the informal chatting bits. I agree that this was when we were most comfortable. We recorded a huge section of the preshow prep and listening to that I think there was some better material cut then was included. A whole section on the meaning of <s>life</s>Xen was extremely witty and will never be heard. <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span><br /> <br /> Music Jingles, Intro Outro, Podcast picture.<br /> <br /> These were awful and just things we grabbed last minute. I would be grateful if people would help out here and do a quick bit of art of suggest jingle music etc. The Music or sound between sections needs to stay for practicality reasons. Its easier to edit in chunks and during the recording people need to get fluid or get rid of some! (My headset is wireless and unless we break the show into sections I will take you all to the bog with me!).<br /> <br /> Show Hosts,<br /> This is "Teh Podcast" and is open to anybody in Teh who is prepared to read the suggested show notes do a bit of research and turn up for recording with something to say. If we have a lot people on at the same time it might be a bit unwieldy but heck lets try and see. Our USP could be that we have the most amount of hosts on a podcast at any one time and make it sound good!<br /> <br /> Web / Blog Space / iTunes<br /> <br /> If we want to keep and archive or create a feed then we will need somewhere to store these? I setup a wordpress site which uses podcast feeds <a href="http://dundeenfl.com/?cat=5">See Here</a><br /> Could we do something similar? We could then link into feedburner etc and monitor stats.<br /> <br /> Once again thanks for the feedback . <br /> Fozza, Patch, Oscar</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.1&return_msg=39687.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.1"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_2"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_2"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 07:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dr Nick (FOZZA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 09:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">2 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.2">39687.2</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1#a39687_1" target="_self">39687.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>As far as editing in Audacity goes, do you need the countdown, or is it not quite easy to move the (unedited) tracks around until they line up just based on the normal conversation? I dunno. Might save, ooh, ten seconds in the editing process.</p> <p> </p> <p>As far as editing goes, I'd aim to get it down to about an hour long. Cut out some of the meandering, summarise (no need to discuss that you're all in a cultural vaccuum and don't get to the cinema - just mention it and move onto the reviews, etc). And definitely get better music. Oscar - get on with it! And the logo looks like the kind of thing that got painted on the noses of German aircraft in WW2.</p> <p> </p> <p>For the actually getting together to record it, a regularly updated thread where the next session date and rough agenda is posted would allow the people who are going to be on it to figure out what to discuss in advance.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.2&return_msg=39687.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.2"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 07:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dr Nick (FOZZA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 09:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.3">39687.3</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1#a39687_1" target="_self">39687.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I think you're definitely on the right lines by recording locally for the reasons you mention. By counting down, you're basically creating an 'audio clacker' in a similar vein to what they do on films (Y'know, the black and white "Take One" thing) to sync audio and video.</p> <p> </p> <p>I don't think there is going to be any way to avoid this process, unless there is some kind of specific Podcasting software (That'd be cool, actually) that can handle it in software.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.3&return_msg=39687.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Oscarvarium (OZGUR)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 13:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 13:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.4">39687.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1#a39687_2" target="_self">39687.2</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I was going to offer to do some music (I even have a <a href="http://soundcloud.com/omanthorp/sets">portfolio</a>!) but I have no idea what kind of thing would be appropriate.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 10 Jul 2012 13:33 by OZGUR</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.4&return_msg=39687.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 13:33</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Oscarvarium (OZGUR) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 13:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.5">39687.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1#a39687_4" target="_self">39687.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm thinking like 'none'.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.5&return_msg=39687.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Oscarvarium (OZGUR)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 13:39</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 13:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.6">39687.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1#a39687_5" target="_self">39687.5</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well having nothing at all separating two sections is pretty awkward. It feels jarring and incoherent to cut from "okay, that was that section" straight to "now for this section". Maybe the space could be filled with a recording of the clicking sound your keyboard makes as you type angrily about how awful music is?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.6&return_msg=39687.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 13:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Oscarvarium (OZGUR) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.7">39687.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1#a39687_6" target="_self">39687.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> (or "that one Aphex Twin track", as the rest of us know it)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.7&return_msg=39687.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 13:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Oscarvarium (OZGUR) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.8">39687.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1#a39687_6" target="_self">39687.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Jingles are arguably necessary on radio since you'll be listening to one programme after another. It's appropriate, then, to provide a little audio cue, a subtle one, just enough to break through any distraction and let you know your favourite programme has started.<br /> <br /> If I put a podcast on I know it's on because I put it on. Any jingle is, at <i>very fucking best</i> superfluous. And more likely annoying, grating, amateurish and embarrassing. Not just its form but the mere fact of its existence.<br /> <br /> Overproducing this, aping the forms of professional media with neither the context necessary to give that meaning nor the skill to pull it off will result in an embarrassing mess.<br /> <br /> I'm not sure the podcast needs heavily delineated sections, let alone more fucking jingles demarcating them. "Right then, let's talk about films" is more than adequate and will sound roughly infinity times less shit.<br /> <br /> If you want this to be entertaining in the way that watching people who can't sing but think they can sing audition on x-factor is entertaining then go for it.<br /> <br /> If you want it to actually be any good then worry about content. Try actually having a discussion rather than just listing shit. You can worry about production when you have something to produce.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.8&return_msg=39687.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 14:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.9">39687.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1#a39687_8" target="_self">39687.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not had much sleep?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.9&return_msg=39687.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39687_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_39687_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 14:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 14:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 53</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.10">39687.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39687.1#a39687_9" target="_self">39687.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ha. Not had enough tea.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39687.10&return_msg=39687.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39687.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="39687.11" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>