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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38317.0&return_msg=38317.44"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.41">41–49</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=38317.44">Java-me-do</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="38317_44_49_10"> <a name="a38317_44"></a><div class="message" id="message_38317_44"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">26 Mar 2011 18:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Mar 2011 18:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">44 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.44">38317.44</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.43">38317.43</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b><a href="messages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.43">Peter (BOUGHTONP)</a></div><div class="quote">The W3C and their friends (mainly their friends) looked at what people were doing anyway - they quite literally analysed millions of existing web pages - and then they designed the HTML5 specification based on actual use</div><br /> Right, so if everyone (or a sizeable minority/majority) bucks the rules, you change the rules to suit them? Soon they'll be legalising driving while on a handheld.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38317.44&return_msg=38317.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38317.44"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38317_45"></a><div class="message" id="message_38317_45"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: af (CAER)<span class="message_time">26 Mar 2011 18:30</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Mar 2011 20:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">45 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.45">38317.45</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.44#a38317_44" target="_self">38317.44</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <a href="http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/oxford-english-dictionary-welcomes-lol-omg-and-fyi/">http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/oxford-english-dictionary-welcomes-lol-omg-and-fyi/</a></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38317.45&return_msg=38317.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38317.45"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38317_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_38317_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">26 Mar 2011 18:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Mar 2011 20:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">46 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.46">38317.46</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.44#a38317_44" target="_self">38317.44</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's not really a fair analogy given that one is a language and the other is a safety precaution. Prescribing languages does not generally work. The language is the usage of that language and if some body is prescribing something which diverges too far from actual usage then they're really just choosing their own obsolescence.<br /> <br /> I think a prescribing body can be useful if its role is to guide and educate. But it really needs to know when it's fighting a losing battle. Innovation will always happen outside of that body, though, and that body will have to choose whether or not to include each innovation in its prescribed model. Divergence from the prescribed standards is at least as important as having them.<br /> <br /> I've never cared if my pages validate with w3c or whatever, so long as they are viewable in every browser I care about, why should I? I see validation as a way to find out why a page <i>doesn't</i> work. Aiming for it with one which already does seems to me to be pointless and irritatingly anal.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38317.46&return_msg=38317.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38317.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38317_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_38317_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">26 Mar 2011 20:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Mar 2011 21:50"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.47">38317.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.44#a38317_46" target="_self">38317.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I agree with your first two paragraphs, although I would say that standards <i>do</i> have a benefit, and the fact that some people don't adhere to them is not a strong reason for changing. Simply changing to meet to lowest common denominator debases the argument for standards in the first place.<br /> <br /> Your final paragraph is just plain anarchic. Are you an anarchist, Andrew?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38317.47&return_msg=38317.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38317.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38317_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_38317_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">26 Mar 2011 21:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Mar 2011 16:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.48">38317.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.44#a38317_47" target="_self">38317.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Aye I agree with that. <br /> <br /> And I may have some tendencies in that direction, Nigel <span class="emoticon e_embarrassed" title=":$"><span class="e__">:$</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38317.48&return_msg=38317.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38317.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38317_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_38317_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">27 Mar 2011 17:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Mar 2011 18:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 49</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.49">38317.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38317.44#a38317_48" target="_self">38317.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Very good. Just don't flaunt them in my direction, Andrew. <span class="emoticon e_moustache" title=":{)"><span class="e__">:{)</span></span><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 27 Mar 2011 17:01 by MR_BASTARD</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38317.49&return_msg=38317.44" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38317.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> </div> </body>