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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.0&return_msg=38140.3377"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3351">3351–3360</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3361">3361–3370</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3371">3371–3380</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3381">3381–3390</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3931">3931–3934</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=38140.3377">Teh Mine</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="38140_3377_3934_10"> <a name="a38140_3377"></a><div class="message" id="message_38140_3377"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">18 Dec 2011 20:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Dec 2011 22:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3377 of 3934</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3377">38140.3377</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3375">38140.3375</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Found the <a href="http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/epiczones/">EpizZones plugin</a> which allows zone-based mob spawning (and a bunch of other stuff).<br /> <br /> So if there are any scaredy-cats still wanting to play we can have a safe "civilized" area, but still have monsters enabled in general so the game is more interesting.<br /> <br /> Also provides a list of multi-world plugins, meaning we could provide in-game switching between the existing map and a new one - although that implies the ability to carry inventory, and personally I'd prefer a completely fresh map, without any imported goods. <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":P"><span class="e__">:P</span></span><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 18 Dec 2011 20:36 by BOUGHTONP</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.3377&return_msg=38140.3377" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38140.3377"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38140_3378"></a><div class="message" id="message_38140_3378"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: graphitone<span class="message_time">18 Dec 2011 21:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Dec 2011 22:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3378 of 3934</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3378">38140.3378</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3366">38140.3366</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Thanks for upgrading the server - Is it possible to turn the need to eat off?</p> <p> </p> <p>It's fecking annoying when you're trying to concentrate on building.</p> <p> </p> <p>Peter - would you want this option on for the adventuring side o' the game? </p> <p> </p> <p>I don't like it - the need to eat in games takes up the time I could be eating in real life. <span class="emoticon e_csad" title=":C"><span class="e__">:C</span></span></p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.3378&return_msg=38140.3377" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38140.3378"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38140_3379"></a><div class="message" id="message_38140_3379"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">18 Dec 2011 22:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Dec 2011 09:10"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3379 of 3934</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3379">38140.3379</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3377#a38140_3378" target="_self">38140.3378</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well I probably wouldn't complain if it was turned off (either globally or selectively), but I wouldn't vote in favour of doing so either.<br /> <br /> I was initially opposed to the idea, but the way it's been implemented isn't actually that bad; makes it more of a challenge than a chore.<br /> <br /> You don't actually <em>need</em> to eat - it stops you auto-regenerating, but if you completely starve yourself, you will simply go down to half health and ... that it's - it doesn't (afaik) affect you in any other way.<br /> So if you're concentrating on building, you can just ignore it, and it doesn't really matter (unless you like regularly jumping off things and hurting yourself).<br /> <br /> Creating a wheat farm to effectively get an endless supply of bread isn't a big deal, and food stacks in your inventory now so it's easy to carry a bunch around.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.3379&return_msg=38140.3377" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38140.3379"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38140_3380"></a><div class="message" id="message_38140_3380"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">18 Dec 2011 22:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: graphitone <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Dec 2011 09:10"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3380 of 3934</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3380">38140.3380</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3377#a38140_3378" target="_self">38140.3378</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Also, if the old map stays active, perhaps it could be turned into a full creative world, if there are people that want that?<br /> <br /> (So long as any link between the two prevents transferring of inventories.)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.3380&return_msg=38140.3377" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38140.3380"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38140_3381"></a><div class="message" id="message_38140_3381"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Oscarvarium (OZGUR)<span class="message_time">18 Dec 2011 23:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Dec 2011 23:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3381 of 3934</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3381">38140.3381</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Can silvester3 be added to the whitelist? I won't say plx this time Peter. <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":P"><span class="e__">:P</span></span></p> <p> </p> <p>I like the current setup (no mobs but not full creative) but adding mobs would be okay, as long as they were scaled back a bit somehow. I find it irritating to get up after one night on survival mode and find half a dozen creepers still wandering around. <span class="emoticon e_sad" title=":("><span class="e__">:(</span></span> I've heard of servers where they play with no explosions, making creepers pretty much harmless but not mitigating the danger of other mobs, plus explosions destroy stuff you've made and that sucks.</p> <p> </p> <p>As for a new map, I wouldn't be against it but I haven't actually built much of any size so I'd rather leave any decision to people people who've made stuff like the citadel. It would help fix the weird cutoffs between terrain generated in the old and new engines though. If the old map can be maintained alongside a new one that would be ideal.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.3381&return_msg=38140.3377" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38140.3381"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38140_3382"></a><div class="message" id="message_38140_3382"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">18 Dec 2011 23:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Oscarvarium (OZGUR) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Dec 2011 23:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3382 of 3934</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3382">38140.3382</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3377#a38140_3381" target="_self">38140.3381</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm going to get a tad pedantic for a moment:<br /> The current setup <em>has</em> mobs, because "mob" means "mobile" - i.e. any moving creature (or "NPC" then).<br /> <br /> What it doesn't have are hostile mobs. <small>(Well, it has wolves, who are sheep-hostile and attack players if provoked; and it doesn't have endermen who are neutral unless looked at, but "hostile mobs" or "monsters" is sufficiently descriptive/accurate in this context - simply saying "mobs" is not.)</small><br /> <br /> <br /> Nerfing the monsters is stupid - you might as well disable them entirely - a creeper explosion destroys at most 5³ blocks, so it's not a lot of effort to re-build.<br /> <br /> But anyway, that's the point of my safe zone suggestion - to prevent hostile spawning without having to place torches everywhere. You can add explosion protection to that zone too, if you're really wimpy, and paranoid someone might lead a creeper back. <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":P"><span class="e__">:P</span></span><br /> <br /> <br /> Even if it's not feasible to run multiple maps on the server (i.e. insufficient hardware), the old one can be archived and probably even made available as a download, so nobody has to worry about their old creations. (Would be nice if they could both be run side-by-side though, so people allergic to monsters can use the old one <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":P"><span class="e__">:P</span></span><u></u>)<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 18 Dec 2011 23:55 by BOUGHTONP</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.3382&return_msg=38140.3377" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38140.3382"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38140_3383"></a><div class="message" id="message_38140_3383"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Oscarvarium (OZGUR)<span class="message_time">19 Dec 2011 00:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Dec 2011 00:23"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3383 of 3934</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3383">38140.3383</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3377#a38140_3382" target="_self">38140.3382</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I actually put "no hostile mobs" at first but thought it sounded too pedantic. <span class="emoticon e_crying" title=":(("><span class="e__">:((</span></span><br /> <br /> I actually meant scaled back in terms of numbers, not potency (except for creepers). I don't mind having mobs but I'd like some kind of distinction between inhabited/built up areas and 'the wilderness' without having to plant torches everywhere. A set safe zone wouldn't be particularly elegant since people would always be expanding beyond it.<br /> <br /> I would like to have enemies as a way to gather resources, mainly bones, but I don't like the idea of exploring/mining and getting knocked into lava by a creeper. <span class="emoticon e_anglesad" title=":<"><span class="e__">:<</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.3383&return_msg=38140.3377" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38140.3383"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38140_3384"></a><div class="message" id="message_38140_3384"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">19 Dec 2011 00:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Oscarvarium (OZGUR) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Dec 2011 00:42"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3384 of 3934</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3384">38140.3384</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3377#a38140_3383" target="_self">38140.3383</a></div> <div class="message_body"> One extra word can never be too pedantic. <span class="emoticon e_tongue" title=":P"><span class="e__">:P</span></span><br /> <br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">A set safe zone wouldn't be particularly elegant since people would always be expanding beyond it.</div><br /> No, because the safe zone would be sufficiently large to avoid that, and with that plugin I found, it can be expanded in-game. (Or new zones created, for people wanting remote colonies.)<br /> <br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">I would like to have enemies as a way to gather resources, mainly bones, but I don't like the idea of exploring/mining and getting knocked into lava by a creeper.</div><br /> Wuss.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.3384&return_msg=38140.3377" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38140.3384"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38140_3385"></a><div class="message" id="message_38140_3385"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Oscarvarium (OZGUR)<span class="message_time">19 Dec 2011 00:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Dec 2011 00:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3385 of 3934</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3385">38140.3385</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3377#a38140_3384" target="_self">38140.3384</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Hey, getting killed and losing tools/diamonds/obsidian to lava is annoying enough when it's my own stupid fault, if it was entirely down to the game being a bastard I'd get /really/ pissed. <span class="emoticon e_csad" title=":C"><span class="e__">:C</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.3385&return_msg=38140.3377" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38140.3385"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38140_3386"></a><div class="message" id="message_38140_3386"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">19 Dec 2011 00:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Oscarvarium (OZGUR) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Dec 2011 01:02"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3386 of 3934</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3386">38140.3386</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38140.3377#a38140_3385" target="_self">38140.3385</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You don't lose your items if you are killed - they get scattered on the ground, ready for you to go collect.<br /> <br /> (It's only the falling in lava that destroys them normally - the solution to which is <em>stay away from lava</em>.)<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 19 Dec 2011 01:00 by BOUGHTONP</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38140.3386&return_msg=38140.3377" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38140.3386"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="38140.3387" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>