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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.0&return_msg=37760.203"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.181">181–190</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.191">191–200</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.201">201–210</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.211">211–220</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.471">471–477</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=37760.203">Minecraft</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="37760_203_477_10"> <a name="a37760_203"></a><div class="message" id="message_37760_203"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2011 08:42</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">203 of 477</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.203">37760.203</a></div> <div class="message_body"> We need a Teh server...</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.203&return_msg=37760.203" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="37760.203"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a37760_204"></a><div class="message" id="message_37760_204"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Serg (NUKKLEAR)<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2011 10:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2011 11:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">204 of 477</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.204">37760.204</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.203#a37760_203" target="_self">37760.203</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>edit: or we can rent one for $25 per month or something if enough of us really want it <span class="emoticon e_unsure" title=":/"><span class="e__">:/</span></span> </p> <p> </p> <p>I wouldn't imagine that it's very bandwidth intensive... Will a dedicated server run on a single-core, old 1.5GHz laptop d'you think? If so I'd be happy to get it running on that for now. I wouldn't imagine it's bandwidth-heavy either, so my measly 3Mbps down / 1Mbps up should be fine. Right?</p><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 19 Jan 2011 11:07 by NUKKLEAR</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.204&return_msg=37760.203" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="37760.204"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a37760_205"></a><div class="message" id="message_37760_205"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2011 11:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Serg (NUKKLEAR) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2011 11:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">205 of 477</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.205">37760.205</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.203#a37760_204" target="_self">37760.204</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I don't think it's worth paying for, there are plenty of other servers out there. Just if someone has a spare machine lying around and a reasonable connection, kinda thing.<br /> <br /> And yeah the server is java so it's quite resource heavy, particularly RAM, so not sure that machine would be up to it. But there's only one way to find out <span class="emoticon e_grin" title=":D"><span class="e__">:D</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.205&return_msg=37760.203" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="37760.205"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a37760_206"></a><div class="message" id="message_37760_206"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2011 11:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2011 12:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">206 of 477</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.206">37760.206</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.203#a37760_203" target="_self">37760.203</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've been looking. Beyond getting a server, which we could probably just get another Linode instance for, I found <a href="http://forum.hey0.net/index.php">hMod</a> (which is being superseded by <a href="http://bukkit.org/">Bukkit</a>, but that's not out yet) which allows you to add your own plugins to Minecraft, all in a deliciously simple looking API which handily includes MySQL support and many more lovely things.<br /> <br /> I've haven't had a proper look at the documentation, but I imagine it can't be too hard to write a plugin to integrate with Beehive's user authentication then we can force people to register here before they can play on Teh Mine and do things with permissions n'shit.<br /> <br /> All we need to do is get a server and install hMod on it and get someone to write some Java to create our plugin.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.206&return_msg=37760.203" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="37760.206"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a37760_207"></a><div class="message" id="message_37760_207"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2011 12:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2011 12:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">207 of 477</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.207">37760.207</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.203#a37760_205" target="_self">37760.205</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">the server is java so it's quite resource heavy, particularly RAM</div><br /> That's a common assumption/misunderstanding.<br /> <br /> Java will use as much memory as you give it - if you say it can have a max of 4G, it'll most likely go ahead and reserve that space, <em>even if it doesn't need it and isn't actually using it</em>.<br /> <br /> See here: <a href="http://www.fusion-reactor.com/fr/images/screenshots/MemoryGraph1.gif">http://www.fusion-reactor.com/fr/images/screenshots/MemoryGraph1.gif</a> - it's been assigned upto 500MB and is allocating around 175MB, even though most times it's using less than 50MB and never appears to go over 150MB.<br /> (The specifics will vary, but the general concept is the same with any Java server, afaik.)<br /> <br /> The point is, you need to run a Minecraft server and measure how much it is actually using (or even, how it performs without much allocated to it), and then you'll know what you actually need.<br /> <br /> It's a pity the server wasn't done as either a WAR or lib/JAR file that could just be plugged in to an existing JEE server, cus then I could plonk it onto my Tomcat and test all this without any hassle.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.207&return_msg=37760.203" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="37760.207"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a37760_208"></a><div class="message" id="message_37760_208"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2011 12:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2011 12:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">208 of 477</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.208">37760.208</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.203#a37760_203" target="_self">37760.203</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 94.173.2.75</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.208&return_msg=37760.203" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="37760.208"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a37760_209"></a><div class="message" id="message_37760_209"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: patch<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2011 12:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2011 13:13"></span></span> <span class="message_count">209 of 477</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.209">37760.209</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.203#a37760_206" target="_self">37760.206</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I believe they use Hmod on the RockPaperShotgun server, and they're currently having to do some weird things with downgrading their clients since Hmod isn't being actively updated to the latest server version.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.209&return_msg=37760.203" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="37760.209"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a37760_210"></a><div class="message" id="message_37760_210"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2011 13:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: patch <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2011 13:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">210 of 477</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.210">37760.210</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.203#a37760_209" target="_self">37760.209</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, I saw that. There is an unofficial hMod doing the rounds, dunno if that supports the newer builds of Minecraft or not. There is also Bukkit (hMod's successor) that I mentioned, but they seem to be using the Black Mesa / Duke Nukem Forever method of development for it and haven't yet released anything.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.210&return_msg=37760.203" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="37760.210"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a37760_211"></a><div class="message" id="message_37760_211"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2011 19:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2011 19:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">211 of 477</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.211">37760.211</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.203#a37760_210" target="_self">37760.210</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm confused - since you still have to write plugins, what do bukkit/hmod actually do?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.211&return_msg=37760.203" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="37760.211"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a37760_212"></a><div class="message" id="message_37760_212"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time">19 Jan 2011 19:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Jan 2011 22:42"></span></span> <span class="message_count">212 of 477</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.212">37760.212</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=37760.203#a37760_211" target="_self">37760.211</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Provides an easy to use API primarily. It has events that you can listen for / bind to rather than having to mod Minecraft directly to insert code where you want it to have an effect. <br /> <br /> The bit I was mostly interested in is the native MySQL support to make it work with Beehive's user authentication. The MySQL support also means you can store the server data such as items each player is carrying, active users etc. in the database, so it could be used to gather information for statistics and other random lovely things.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=37760.212&return_msg=37760.203" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="37760.212"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="37760.213" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>