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href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.24">36147.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.16">36147.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> (sorry)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=36147.24&return_msg=36147.24" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="36147.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a36147_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_36147_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">31 May 2009 15:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">25 of 56</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.25">36147.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What the hell did you do!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=36147.25&return_msg=36147.24" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="36147.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a36147_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_36147_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: patch<span class="message_time">31 May 2009 15:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 May 2009 15:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">26 of 56</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.26">36147.26</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.24#a36147_25" target="_self">36147.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm a bit worried about that myself, since it was me he apologised to, and I have no idea what for.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=36147.26&return_msg=36147.24" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="36147.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a36147_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_36147_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">31 May 2009 15:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 May 2009 15:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">27 of 56</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.27">36147.27</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.24#a36147_25" target="_self">36147.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You're supposed to clap! <span class="emoticon e_sad" title=":("><span class="e__">:(</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=36147.27&return_msg=36147.24" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="36147.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a36147_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_36147_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">31 May 2009 15:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: patch <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 May 2009 23:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 56</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.28">36147.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.14">36147.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">some people somewhere are bound to refuse to use it because it comes from Google, the new Microsoft.</div><br /> Except there's very few people dumb enough to fit into that category.<br /> <br /> Putting aside the whole Google not being evil and playing an active and healthy role in the community - which clearly differentiates them from Microsoft for anyone who pays just a slight bit of attention.<br /> <br /> The simple fact of both the protocol and platform being entirely open mean that you don't need to like/use Google to still use Wave-compatible products.<br /> <br /> <br /> I'm just hoping that Microsoft don't do their usual thing: hire a team of monkeys to create an incompatible proprietary competitor, which is then shoe-horned into IE, Office, Outlook, etc and gets picked up by all the retarded Microsoft-only shops, and prevents the real Wave from fully succeeding.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=36147.28&return_msg=36147.24" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="36147.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a36147_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_36147_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">31 May 2009 15:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: patch <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 May 2009 23:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">29 of 56</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.29">36147.29</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.15">36147.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">I wonder what the server and bandwidth specs would need to be to host your own system.</div><br /> Not as much as you might think - since it works in deltas and transformations and stuff, there's not a lot of data being transferred - probably far less than an online game.<br /> <br /> (By which I mean, anyone that can host a ten-user CS game could very likely successfully host a ten-user wave conversation.)<br /> <br /> Obvious the main Google server would have thousands/millions of users online, and that would have to be a decent collection of servers, but anyone with that level of user-base is very likely to have sufficient resources for it not to be an issue.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=36147.29&return_msg=36147.24" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="36147.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a36147_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_36147_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">31 May 2009 16:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 31 May 2009 16:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 56</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.30">36147.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.23">36147.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=36147.30&return_msg=36147.24" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="36147.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a36147_31"></a><div class="message" id="message_36147_31"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time"> 1 Jun 2009 06:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Jun 2009 06:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">31 of 56</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.31">36147.31</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.24#a36147_28" target="_self">36147.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>The thing is, Office 2010's big feature is the collaborative working, where the desktop software, the Windows Mobile apps and the new web-based versions of Word, Excel and so on can all be connected "live" to documents in Sharepoint and everybody can edit them at the same time. Which sounds a lot like Wave, except that Wave is "open", although I'm unclear as to whether that means it's a standard that Google are going to hand over to ISO or ECMA or W3C or not.</p> <p> </p> <p>The one that will be of the most interest to me is the one that I can easily integrate into my own applications, allowing multiple users to simultaneously modify any LOB data, rather than just documents and spreadsheets.</p> <p> </p> <p>Also, Google are getting pretty evil lately. It'd be hard not to, when you're in control of the world's information flow.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=36147.31&return_msg=36147.24" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="36147.31"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a36147_32"></a><div class="message" id="message_36147_32"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kriv<span class="message_time"> 1 Jun 2009 06:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Jun 2009 08:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">32 of 56</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.32">36147.32</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.24#a36147_31" target="_self">36147.31</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Evil? How so?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=36147.32&return_msg=36147.24" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="36147.32"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a36147_33"></a><div class="message" id="message_36147_33"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time"> 1 Jun 2009 08:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kriv <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Jun 2009 18:16"></span></span> <span class="message_count">33 of 56</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.33">36147.33</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=36147.24#a36147_32" target="_self">36147.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well, they removed all the music videos from YouTube for a start. And they remove people they don't like from their search engine, which is as good as taking their sites offline completely. And they say they're completely behind open-source, so why is Chrome only available on Windows? And the Android source code contains routines for recording every phone call you make and using voice-recognition technology to index it. And they do everything in Python and Java, which is both kinds of wrong.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=36147.33&return_msg=36147.24" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="36147.33"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="36147.34" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>