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Which is not very different at all from Vista, in fact. A few UI tweaks here and there, the Windows Explorer layout is improved; there's a new thing called Libraries which aggregates multiple folders into a single view, which is quite cool. Wordpad and Paint have Ribbon interfaces.<br /> <br /> According to MS, it's got full driver compatibility with Vista. I'm running it in a virtual PC, so I can't really tell.<br /> <br /> Also just been watching a demo of Office 14 (on Channel9), which looks <i>really</i> cool. There's a browser-based version which uses Silverlight if you've got it, AJAX if you haven't, and it's cross-platform. That includes Word, Excel, Powerpoint and OneNote. If you've got a document stored in SharePoint or on Office Live, you can have multiple people editing it at the same time from the full smart client, the web client and the Windows Mobile client, getting live updates from each other. The browser Excel has the same calculation engine as the full smart client Excel.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 7 Jan 2009 13:42 by RENDLE</div> </div> <div class="message_attachments"> <span>Attachments:</span> <ul> <li><span class="image attach"></span><a href="get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=bae91d46adc4ded5770a69cdb371fdb2&filename=Explorer.PNG" target="_blank">Explorer.PNG</a></li> <li><span class="image attach"></span><a href="get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=a0b4a106bac3913d23ff1dfcbbeb9915&filename=Paint.PNG" target="_blank">Paint.PNG</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=35274.1&return_msg=35274.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="35274.1"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a35274_2"></a><div class="message" id="message_35274_2"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time"> 1 Nov 2008 07:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Nov 2008 07:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">2 of 55</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.2">35274.2</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.1#a35274_1" target="_self">35274.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>It's happily installed the Virtual Machine Additions, which are just a bunch of drivers, so that's something.</p> <p> </p> <p>Maybe when they release a beta I'll be able to persuade work I need a Tablet PC...</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=35274.2&return_msg=35274.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="35274.2"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a35274_3"></a><div class="message" id="message_35274_3"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 1 Nov 2008 10:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Nov 2008 13:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">3 of 55</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.3">35274.3</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.1#a35274_1" target="_self">35274.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What is a ribbon interface?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=35274.3&return_msg=35274.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="35274.3"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a35274_4"></a><div class="message" id="message_35274_4"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: DrBoff (BOFF)<span class="message_time"> 1 Nov 2008 10:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Nov 2008 10:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">4 of 55</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.4">35274.4</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.1#a35274_3" target="_self">35274.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's like mouse gestures but you have to do rythmic gymnastics.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=35274.4&return_msg=35274.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="35274.4"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a35274_5"></a><div class="message" id="message_35274_5"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 1 Nov 2008 10:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: DrBoff (BOFF) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Nov 2008 10:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">5 of 55</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.5">35274.5</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.1#a35274_4" target="_self">35274.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <span class="emoticon e_giggle" title="(giggle)"><span class="e__">(giggle)</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=35274.5&return_msg=35274.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="35274.5"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a35274_6"></a><div class="message" id="message_35274_6"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 1 Nov 2008 12:20</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Nov 2008 13:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">6 of 55</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.6">35274.6</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.1#a35274_1" target="_self">35274.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It does look as if it will end up being what Vista should have been when it comes out. Which will be nice. It's also handy that they're maintaining driver compatibility. After all, one of the things that helped XP when it came out was that most Win2K drivers would work fine with it. Either way, I'm quite looking forward to it really. If they can fix many of Vista's foibles, maintain compatibility and add in features that never made it into Vista, it might actually be worth getting.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=35274.6&return_msg=35274.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="35274.6"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a35274_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_35274_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time"> 1 Nov 2008 13:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Nov 2008 18:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">7 of 55</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.7">35274.7</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.1#a35274_6" target="_self">35274.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I suspect the remaining foibles in Vista will be fixed in SP2, which is in limited beta at the moment.</p> <p> </p> <p>Vista -> Windows 7 is looking more like one of Apple's OSX "upgrades" than a traditional Windows major release, which is probably no bad thing. They're synchronising the client and server releases: Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 are due out at the same time and have a bunch of complementary features, like the Direct Access remote networking and such. The server edition is pretty impressive: it scales to 256 processors/cores; Hyper-V 2.0 supports live migration; .NET 4.0 will be supported in Server Core installs. The biggest thing with the client is the multi-touch support, which is of limited use to most of us, and the improved integration with Windows Live Services, although they're going to have to watch the anti-trust regulators on that or they'll have every provider of online mail, calendar, photo gallery, bookmarking and so on filing suit.</p> <p> </p> <p>I have to say, I'm much more excited about Windows 8. According to the rumour mill, it's a completely new microkernel, has virtualisation coded right into it and is going to provide backward compatibility using application virtualisation, which means they can ditch all the godawful legacy API stuff.</p> <p> </p> <p>In other news, Visual Studio 2010 appears to be written in managed code and uses WPF, presumably on .NET 4.0.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=35274.7&return_msg=35274.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="35274.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a35274_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_35274_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time"> 1 Nov 2008 13:52</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Nov 2008 14:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 55</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.8">35274.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.1#a35274_3" target="_self">35274.3</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What Office 2007 has instead of menus and toolbars.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=35274.8&return_msg=35274.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="35274.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a35274_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_35274_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 1 Nov 2008 18:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 1 Nov 2008 18:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 55</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.9">35274.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.1#a35274_7" target="_self">35274.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> These days, it's more interface problems with Vista that I dislike and these aren't going to be fixed with service packs. Apart from the search box, I still think the new start menu is pants, and many other areas seem to have been designed by a complete plonker when it comes to actual usability. A pity too seeing as most of the bugs etc. have now been fixed.<br /> <br /> Hence I'm hoping that with some tweaking and new features, Windows 7 might be enough of an improvement for me to think about ditching XP as my main OS and upgrading.<br /> <br /> Windows 8 is a bit too much of a wait though <span class="emoticon e_sad" title=":-("><span class="e__">:-(</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=35274.9&return_msg=35274.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="35274.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a35274_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_35274_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time"> 4 Nov 2008 12:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">10 of 55</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=35274.10">35274.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> According to <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1690">this</a>, Windows 7 includes MinWin, although whether it's an actual binary distributable or just a refactoring of the kernel code to reduce interdependency is unclear.<br /> <br /> I have also found a hack that activates the new Taskbar in the PDC preview, so I'll have a play with that in a bit.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=35274.10&return_msg=35274.1" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="35274.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="35274.11" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>