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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.0&return_msg=34900.7"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.11">11–20</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.31">31–35</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=34900.7">Thing which I wish to do with php...</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="34900_7_35_10"> <a name="a34900_7"></a><div class="message" id="message_34900_7"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: DarkBadger<span class="message_time">25 Aug 2008 17:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">7 of 35</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.7">34900.7</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, Google kind of told me the security thing and I have done it with activex before but I don't like the clicking-on-certs malarkey. Ah well, I'll just have to get them to type their details in and join Bros. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.7&return_msg=34900.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34900.7"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34900_8"></a><div class="message" id="message_34900_8"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: AND HIS PROPHET IS (MOHAMED42)<span class="message_time">26 Aug 2008 11:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Aug 2008 17:10"></span></span> <span class="message_count">8 of 35</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.8">34900.8</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.6">34900.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Sure <a href="http://www.djangoproject.com/">they</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SymbolicWeb">do</a>.</p> <p> </p> <p>Django is pure sex, and SymbolicWeb is even better, if a bit less polished.</p> <p> </p> <p>Also, Lisp is not just for mathematical programming or list processing! (Insert angry, smug and/or condescending rant about how Lisp is awesome and the best language ever for everything.) Seriously though, Lisp's CLOS is a far better OO system than anything else I've seen; and Lisp in general is a very good, and absurdly powerful, general purpose programming language.</p> <p> </p> <p>Don't mind me, I can't help evangelizing now and then <span class="emoticon e_moustache" title=":{)"><span class="e__">:{)</span></span></p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.8&return_msg=34900.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34900.8"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34900_9"></a><div class="message" id="message_34900_9"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time">26 Aug 2008 17:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: AND HIS PROPHET IS (MOHAMED42) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Aug 2008 22:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">9 of 35</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.9">34900.9</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.7#a34900_8" target="_self">34900.8</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I can't be bothered to argue with you. You'll just have to stay wrong.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 26 Aug 2008 17:13 by RENDLE</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.9&return_msg=34900.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34900.9"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34900_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_34900_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: AND HIS PROPHET IS (MOHAMED42)<span class="message_time">26 Aug 2008 22:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Aug 2008 10:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 35</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.10">34900.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.7#a34900_9" target="_self">34900.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Just so we're clear, which part am I wrong about? Pick one (or more if you're feeling lucky)</p> <p> </p> <p>1. That other languages than PHP are good for web development<br /> 2. That Django is sex<br /> 3. That Lisp is... well, all the stuff I said about Lisp.</p> <p> </p> <p>I don't intend to argue further, I just want to mentally catalogue your position on these things so I know where you stand if they come up again, at some hypothetical point far in the future.</p> <p> </p> <p>Although I will say that the only one I am 100% certain about is #3. The others are matters of opinion.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.10&return_msg=34900.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34900.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34900_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_34900_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">26 Aug 2008 23:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: AND HIS PROPHET IS (MOHAMED42) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Aug 2008 23:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 35</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.11">34900.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.7#a34900_10" target="_self">34900.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Lisp sucks.<br /> <br /> I mean, look at this shit:<br /> <div class="quotetext" id="code-"><b> code:</b></div><pre class="code"> (defun factorial (n) (if (<= n 1) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))</pre><br /> <br /> WTF is that?<br /> <br /> It's <em>ugly</em> and all mixed up and shit.<br /> <br /> <br /> They tried to teach us Lisp at uni - I was all excited at first, because it was an AI class and they were going to show us all clever wonderful stuff, but it was <em>boring</em> and <em>shit</em> and TOO MANY BLOODY PARENTHESES!<br /> <br /> <br /> The thought of using Lisp for website... <span class="emoticon e_horror" title=":&"><span class="e__">:&</span></span><br /> <br /> Bloody hell, this is just... <span class="emoticon e_questioned" title=":?"><span class="e__">:?</span></span> <span class="emoticon e_questioned" title=":?"><span class="e__">:?</span></span> <span class="emoticon e_questioned" title=":?"><span class="e__">:?</span></span><br /> <br /> It's even doing the actual HTML as Lisp!<br /> <br /> This is nuts.<br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="code-"><b> code:</b></div><pre class="code">(defmethod render ((app view-app)) (who (:html (:head (:title "SymbolicWeb: slider-test") (str (js-sw-headers app)) ;; Include the extra scripts and CSS needed for the slider. (:script :type "text/javascript" :src (catstr *javascript-path* "ui/ui.core.js")) (:script :type "text/javascript" :src (catstr *javascript-path* "ui/ui.slider.js")) (:style :type "text/css" "body { font-family: sans-serif; }") (:link :rel "stylesheet" :type "text/css" :href (catstr *css-path* "flora/flora.css")) (:link :rel "stylesheet" :type "text/css" :href (catstr *css-path* "flora/flora.slider.css"))) (:body (str (sw-heading :title (string-downcase (princ-to-string (type-of app))))) (:h1 "View Application") (:p "Try viewing the same slider in multiple browser windows/tabs; notice that they are kept in sync in real time." "These could also be kept in sync in a cross-session fashion; for an example of this see counter.lisp.") (:p (:a :href "#view=first-slider" :style "background-color: orange;" "Look at first slider") :br (:a :href "#view=second-slider" :style "background-color: lightblue;" "Look at second slider") :br (:a :href "#view=third-slider" :style "background-color: lightgreen;" "Look at third slider")) (:div :id "sw-root") (:noscript "JavaScript needs to be enabled.")))))</pre><br /> <br /> <br /> You need help if you think that'd help Daz live again - just the sight of it sends me into despair!<br /> <br /> <br /> <strong><em>EUCK!</em></strong> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.11&return_msg=34900.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34900.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34900_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_34900_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: AND HIS PROPHET IS (MOHAMED42)<span class="message_time">26 Aug 2008 23:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Aug 2008 23:37"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 35</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.12">34900.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.7#a34900_11" target="_self">34900.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Are you serious about not liking Lisp, or do you actually like Lisp and you're just being silly about it? Because those are the most common things people complain about, so it's almost a joke among Lisp programmers to complain about those things...</p> <p> </p> <p>I mean what you wrote is like a textbook example of Lisp complaints:</p> <p> </p> <p>1. Parentheses suck!<br /> 2. I had to learn it in college for an AI course and it sucked!<br /> 3. Using it for anything practical would REALLY suck!<br /> 4. I just can't tolerate this, Lisp sucks!</p> <p> </p> <p>so I really can't tell if you're serious or if you're just setting up a straw man <span class="emoticon e_questioned" title=":?"><span class="e__">:?</span></span></p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.12&return_msg=34900.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34900.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34900_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_34900_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">26 Aug 2008 23:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: AND HIS PROPHET IS (MOHAMED42) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Aug 2008 23:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 35</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.13">34900.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.7#a34900_12" target="_self">34900.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ok, well let me put it this way:<br /> I would prefer be strapped atop a camel that was being hounded by hyenas, whilst programming brainfuck with my feet, than to have to use that stupid over-parethesised heap of crap.<br /> <br /> We clear? <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <small>(Goodnight(bed-to 'now '(going))</small> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.13&return_msg=34900.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34900.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34900_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_34900_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: AND HIS PROPHET IS (MOHAMED42)<span class="message_time">27 Aug 2008 00:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Aug 2008 19:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 35</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.14">34900.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.7#a34900_13" target="_self">34900.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Clear enough :p you can read this in the morning then. Everything that follows is contingent upon using decent development tools, etc.<br /> <br /> First of all, the parentheses. You get used to them really quickly, and before long you actually stop noticing them. They also provide Lisp with some of its most powerful features.<br /> <br /> Second, what you learned at uni was probably actually Scheme, which is technically Lisp but is really unlike Common Lisp. Scheme is designed to teach concepts; Common Lisp is designed to program with.<br /> <br /> Third, Lisp is good for any common programming task. If I was more familiar with it, I don't think I'd use anything else. It's so ridiculously powerful that programming things in it almost feels like falling down the stairs, only you land in a soft pile of fresh laundry that smells like spring days and lemon instead of breaking something and going to the hospital.<br /> <br /> But you've really got to use it yourself and actually experience it to see what I'm talking about. And your uni course doesn't count :p at the very least you should read <a href="http://gigamonkeys.com/book/introduction-why-lisp.html">this page</a>, which is from the book <a href="http://gigamonkeys.com/book/">Practical Common Lisp</a>. It is available free online. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.14&return_msg=34900.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34900.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34900_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_34900_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time">27 Aug 2008 10:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: AND HIS PROPHET IS (MOHAMED42) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Aug 2008 10:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 35</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.15">34900.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.7#a34900_10" target="_self">34900.10</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Python and Lisp have as much to do with web pages as PHP does, really.</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.15&return_msg=34900.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34900.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34900_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_34900_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: AND HIS PROPHET IS (MOHAMED42)<span class="message_time">27 Aug 2008 10:23</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 27 Aug 2008 23:16"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 35</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.16">34900.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34900.7#a34900_15" target="_self">34900.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Fairy Nuff. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34900.16&return_msg=34900.7" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34900.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="34900.17" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>