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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.0&return_msg=32303.52"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.41">41–50</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.51">51–58</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=32303.52">no one to vote for</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="32303_52_58_10"> <a name="a32303_52"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_52"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">30 Apr 2007 10:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Apr 2007 11:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">52 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.52">32303.52</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.51">32303.51</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>No, my aim is a lack of conditioning in the <i>hope</i> they'll behave how I hope they'll behave. But so long as they behave how they want to behave when free from conditioning, then I'm happy. I acknowledge my expectations might be wrong.</p> <p> </p> <p>If fascism is simply an ideology that maintains itself through conditioning and perhaps force (which seems to be what you're implying) then western capitalism is fascism. But of course, it's not, you're being disingenuous.</p> <p> </p> <p>Fascism is authoritarianism characterised by an interest in nationalism and some form of racial or cultural protectionism contextualised via some sort of imagined ideal form. I don't have any of that, I'm absolutely anti-nationalistic.</p> <p> </p> <p>So I'm just (as a step along the path) not averse to (explicit) authoritarianism.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.52&return_msg=32303.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: spinning_plates<span class="message_time">30 Apr 2007 14:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Apr 2007 14:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.53">32303.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.52#a32303_52" target="_self">32303.52</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">No, my aim is a lack of conditioning in the <i>hope</i> they'll behave how I hope they'll behave.</div><br /> <br /> How do you expect people to behave when free of conditioning? Whilst conditioning can be applied for negative ends, it can also, potentially have benefits in certain areas - are you genuinely certain we can rid ourselves of the concept? </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.53&return_msg=32303.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_54"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_54"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: funky (ISA)<span class="message_time">30 Apr 2007 14:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Apr 2007 15:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">54 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.54">32303.54</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.47">32303.47</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I was talking this way the other day, (well, I was also mentioning about racism and rap music, and I referred to Bell Hooks who is also a feminist by chance) and someone called me, "Gloria Steinem with brain damage." To me, that was a sexist remark...not to mention mean. (He wouldn't have said it if I was a man.)</p> <p> </p> <p>So, in keeping with this other guy's beliefs...you two are like Gloria Steinem with brain damage! </p> <p> </p> <p>It's only rational.</p> <p> </p> <p>:p </p> <p> </p> <p><span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";)"><span class="e__">;)</span></span></p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.54&return_msg=32303.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.54"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_55"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_55"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">30 Apr 2007 15:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: funky (ISA) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Apr 2007 15:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">55 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.55">32303.55</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.52#a32303_54" target="_self">32303.54</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I'm sure that'd make more sense if I knew who Gloria Steinem was :s</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.55&return_msg=32303.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.55"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_56"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_56"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">30 Apr 2007 15:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: spinning_plates <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Apr 2007 16:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">56 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.56">32303.56</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.52#a32303_53" target="_self">32303.53</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I don't believe conditioning is ever positive when looking at the big picture. Sure, you can isolate small instances of positively-conditioned responses but they exist within a larger fucked-up framework (say, charity) and are rarely free of harm.</p> <p> </p> <p>I hope people will behave unselfishly, for the most part, without conditioning. I'm not certain of it, but I'm willing to gamble, like. And yes, I'm certain we can rid ourselves of the concept. It's only necessitated by unnecessary and damaging structures.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.56&return_msg=32303.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.56"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><div class="message"> Message 32303.57 was deleted</div> <a name="a32303_58"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_58"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: funky (ISA)<span class="message_time">30 Apr 2007 15:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 30 Apr 2007 17:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">58 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.58">32303.58</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.52#a32303_55" target="_self">32303.55</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>She was very popular in the 70's as a feminist writer and activist for women's rights.</p> <p> </p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem</a></p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.58&return_msg=32303.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.58"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> </div> </body>