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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.0&return_msg=32303.10"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.21">21–30</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.51">51–58</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=32303.10">no one to vote for</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="32303_10_58_10"> <a name="a32303_10"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_10"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2007 22:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Apr 2007 22:07"></span></span> <span class="message_count">10 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.10">32303.10</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.6">32303.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> (just making it clear I know you said BNP. It just made me think of the SNP) </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.10&return_msg=32303.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.10"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_11"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_11"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2007 22:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Apr 2007 22:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">11 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.11">32303.11</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.9">32303.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I've got no beef by-and-large with SNP politics. Smaller entities hurt fewer people: unless larger entities get aggressive and smaller entities can't coaleasce around coherent opposition. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.11&return_msg=32303.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.11"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_12"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_12"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: spinning_plates<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2007 22:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Apr 2007 22:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">12 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.12">32303.12</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.1">32303.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Not practical right now, but, in general - stand. It's what I intend to do eventually. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.12&return_msg=32303.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.12"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_13"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_13"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2007 22:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Apr 2007 22:16"></span></span> <span class="message_count">13 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.13">32303.13</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.10#a32303_11" target="_self">32303.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Reading between the lines I think you're saying we have to saw london off and let it float away. I agree. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.13&return_msg=32303.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2007 22:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: spinning_plates <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Apr 2007 22:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.14">32303.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.10#a32303_12" target="_self">32303.12</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I would but no one would vote for me and I do not support/agree with the democratic process. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.14&return_msg=32303.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: spinning_plates<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2007 22:16</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Apr 2007 22:17"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.15">32303.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.10#a32303_14" target="_self">32303.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I believe you are decieving yourself on both counts. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.15&return_msg=32303.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2007 22:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: spinning_plates <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Apr 2007 22:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.16">32303.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.10#a32303_15" target="_self">32303.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Haha. To get voted for you have to appeal to the middle classes because they're the ones with enough of a (perceived) stake to actually bother voting. That sums up why I am opposed to deomcracy and hints at why I would not get voted for.</p> <p> </p> <p>I don't believe it's right that 'the majority' (whatever way you cut it) makes decisions for the rest. They will never act in the interests of the rest unless they coincide with their own.</p> <p> </p> <p>And when you pull it apart, even the above isn't happening. I do not believe that our democracy causes the preferences of the majority to be realised effectively (not, as I say, that I would see that as a good thing anyway).</p> <p> </p> <p>So we have the illusion of an illusion of a system that would work.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.16&return_msg=32303.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2007 22:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Apr 2007 22:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.17">32303.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.10#a32303_16" target="_self">32303.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> All that being said (and I don't disagree with what you say), what other existing system of representation would you prefer? </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.17&return_msg=32303.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: spinning_plates<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2007 22:30</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Apr 2007 22:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.18">32303.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.10#a32303_16" target="_self">32303.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The key that is missing from the picture at present, however, is pragmatism, as Manwhore hints at.<br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="spoiler"><b>spoiler: </b></div><div class="spoiler">Manwhore? Hmm? Is that off? I mean I'm only being silly, we've been calling each other that at work all day and it does sort of go with the name, but then again, I bear no ill will...</div><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 26 Apr 2007 22:30 by SPINNING_PLATES</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.18&return_msg=32303.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a32303_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_32303_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">26 Apr 2007 22:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: spinning_plates <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 26 Apr 2007 22:35"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 58</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.19">32303.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=32303.10#a32303_18" target="_self">32303.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I am known in the artfag business as the Artwhore <i>par excellence</i> so worry not. <br /> <br /> I can't think of a broadside I have found properly offensive: certainly not when they are witty and in the spirit of <i>badinage</i>. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=32303.19&return_msg=32303.10" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="32303.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="32303.20" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>