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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.0&return_msg=29871.25"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.31">31–40</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.71">71–72</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=29871.25">Teh Lack of Speed</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="29871_25_72_10"> <a name="a29871_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time"> 4 Jul 2006 07:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">25 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.25">29871.25</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.24">29871.24</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Incidentally, and I assume this serves to illustrate Matt's analysis, it loads better for me - or rather, less slowly - in the ungodly hours of the morning. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.25&return_msg=29871.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 4 Jul 2006 08:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Jul 2006 09:06"></span></span> <span class="message_count">26 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.26">29871.26</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.25#a29871_25" target="_self">29871.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's faster for me in the mornings as well, but with onl 6 members online compared with some afternoons and evenings when there's 20-30 online and there you go. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.26&return_msg=29871.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 4 Jul 2006 19:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Jul 2006 21:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">27 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.27">29871.27</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14">29871.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> What about using bind variables?<br /> <br /> Bah, looks like it would mean restricting Beehive to PHP5+MySQL 4.1 (or later), <br /> but it should give a significant boost to query performance; maybe it could be added as a branch/mod?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Also (this may already be done, but I couldn't see anything on a quick glance), what about having shortcut thingies - um, by which I mean something similar to this:<br /> <div class="quotetext" id="code-Pseudo-PHP"><b>Pseudo-PHP code:</b></div><pre class="code">if (looking_for_unread_messages && $_SERVER['LAST_BH_MESSAGE'] > $_SESSION['USER_LAST_THREADLIST']) { // perform query as normal } else { // do cut-down query or cached query or whatever } </pre><br /> ie: Store a server-wide variable of the last message post time, and use it to determine if there's any point even running a [complete] query.<br /> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.27&return_msg=29871.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: steve<span class="message_time"> 4 Jul 2006 22:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Jul 2006 22:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.28">29871.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.25#a29871_27" target="_self">29871.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I thought about cached stuff to cut down little queries. Although I guess there's not many like that on here. On my bh101 forum all the user details are cached, so if they are needing in a later post on the page they are there ^_^ </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.28&return_msg=29871.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 4 Jul 2006 22:39</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">29 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.29">29871.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Is there any way of compromising somehow? This feels like wishful thinking but I do not know. Anyway - somehow semiarchiving old stuff so it isn't actually affecting anything except on the rare occassion someone isn't going through old threads. Hmm, no, this doesn't sound likely. Hm. </p> <p> </p> <p>having it all separate and readonly feels wrong somehow.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.29&return_msg=29871.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 09:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 09:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.30">29871.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.25#a29871_29" target="_self">29871.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> We could convert old stuff to static HTML files, and then use a search engine to index both the database and files together.<br /> <br /> Lucene is an Apache open-source one of those, which can be <a href="http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.search.html">integrated with PHP via Zend</a>, although again it appears to be a PHP5 solution. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.30&return_msg=29871.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_31"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_31"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ian<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 10:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">31 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.31">29871.31</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I'm not entirely sure if I know what I'm talking about but would it not be possible to periodically move posts/threads etc. that are older than a certain amount of time (say a year) to a seperate table (or tables) which are then only ever searched when absolutely neccessary?</p> <p> </p> <p>So regular thread list 'stuff' would only look at the 'current' table(s) wheras the Search might look at both the 'current' and the 'archive' table(s) using whatever SQL magic that requires.</p> <p> </p> <p>Any time a post is retrieved it would compare its number to the 'last-archived-thread' and based on that decide which table(s) to get it from. For the most part it would only require recent posts so only ever do stuff with the leaner 'current' table(s), thereby making everything faster, finding a cure for AIDS and achieving world peace.</p> <p> </p> <p>Does that make sense? Am I repeating people? Can I go home yet?!</p> <p> </p> <p>Hmm. But then posting in a thread from 3 years ago might cause problems, or would it? I don't know.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.31&return_msg=29871.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.31"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_32"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_32"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 10:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ian <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 10:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">32 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.32">29871.32</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.25#a29871_31" target="_self">29871.31</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I think the main problem with that is it would be hard as fuck to make. And would pretty much be a one-off. So no one will make it. </p> <p> </p> <p>And also the script which does the splitting would have to be run as a cron job or something like that. And would be, I reckon, slow as fuck.</p> <p> </p> <p>(That's not to say it's a bad idea, it would be the ideal solution, just I don't see it happening)</p> <p> </p> <p>I think we have three choices:</p> <p> </p> <p>1. something like you suggested<br /> 2. carry on as we are<br /> 3. start again and archive the rest somewhere</p> <p> </p> <p>I think 1 won't happen and 2 shouldn't happen so I like 3.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.32&return_msg=29871.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.32"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_33"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_33"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 10:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 10:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">33 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.33">29871.33</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.25#a29871_32" target="_self">29871.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Or 4) Look around for new hosting. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.33&return_msg=29871.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.33"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_34"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_34"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 10:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 11:08"></span></span> <span class="message_count">34 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.34">29871.34</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.25#a29871_33" target="_self">29871.33</a></div> <div class="message_body"> S'pose. Seems like overkill though. We shouldn't need a dedicated server for a web forum. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.34&return_msg=29871.25" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.34"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="29871.35" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>