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From:	fixrman	10 Jan 2021 00:12
To:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	6 of 58

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That was not a well-thought out action, going after the Capitol. While I am not surprised, I am surprised at the destruction; time will tell who they actually are.

There have been several times that improper things happened in the U.S., but they were viewed a lot differently, because they were reported a lot differently. The Boston Massacre, Boston Tea Party, Shay's rebellion - they all come to mind. But the events fared better in history because of the outcome.

Regardless of affiliation, one has to realise that events such as these are a result of the frustration of people who feel that their voice has not been heard. What I find interesting is the stark contrast between the looting, rioting and arson committed in the aftermath of George Floyd who - though nothing more than a common thug and drug addict (he once held a gun to a pregnant black woman's stomach while he and his other thug buddies robbed her) and the characterisations of the Capitol situation.

The American "press" regarded the mayhem in various cities as "protests" and "mostly peaceful protests", whilst people were on camera smashing windows, burning cars, stealing merchandise and cash, and occupying city blocks. It is interesting the interpretation of "systemic racism" when a particular talking point wants to be made, and it highlights hypocrisy of the press.

BLM may be the darling of sensationalist media, but they are actually a money-raising branch of the Democrat party. All one has to do is visit the BLM website and discover that all donations to BLM are funnelled to ActBlue, whose sole purpose is to promote and finance Democrats. They even lie to their supporters by giving the impression that donations are tax-deductible ("to the fullest extent allowed by law" - political donations are not tax deductible); wait until April 15th, as they will discover they have been hoodwinked again by the Dems.

Whether you like it or not, he is POTUS - yours and mine - until January 20th. In the same vein, so will Biden be, a stumbling, bumbling, gaffe-prone, China-serving incompetent boob of a POTUS, who will turn the clock back to the Obama days when unemployment was high, regulations many and businesses were struggling. Biden represents the past with no idea for the future. I suppose all hope is on Harris; maybe she will go heels up again and do something worthwhile other than promoting rampant socialism. But I remain doubtful.

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	koswix	10 Jan 2021 11:02
To:	fixrman	7 of 58

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Go on then, I'll take a bite at your mad conspiracy laden apple:

>> time will tell who they actually are

Who do you think they were, then?


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From:	ANT_THOMAS	10 Jan 2021 12:22
To:	fixrman	8 of 58

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I'll also bite >>> Regardless of affiliation, one has to realise that events such as these are a result of the frustration of people who feel that their voice has not been heard. Their voice was heard. They voted, they lost, get over it. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, gained more votes of the American people than Trump, but still lost due to the system in place. Did democrat voters at the time riot and storm Capitol? Nope. Can't have it both ways. >>> George Floyd who - though nothing more than a common thug and drug addict So he deserved to be killed by the police? A

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From:	Dave!!	10 Jan 2021 13:11
To:	fixrman	9 of 58

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Me too: >> time will tell who they actually are. We actually know who plenty of them are, many have already been ID'd. The woman that was shot (Ashli Babbitt) was a keen Trump supporter and major supporter of various conspiracy theories. There's an article here where her background is discussed in great detail. Of course, you'll likely claim it is "fake news" given that it's an article by the Guardian. We also know that the guy in the horned, furry hat is Jake Angeli, who often goes by the pseudonym of the "QAnon Shaman". Gee, I wonder what his affiliation is. Plenty others have also been positively ID'd. It's actually quite simple to do when you don't disguise yourself at all and pose for photos - or of course when people take the time to live-stream their actions as well. Not the cleverest thing to do when you're in the process of committing a series of federal offenses... >> events such as these are a result of the frustration of people who feel that their voice has not been heard. I understand their frustrations. They've spent the last few months listening to (and believing) a none-stop stream of lies from the outgoing president - a man who almost certainly has a mental illness given that he's incapable of accepting failure. In actual fact, their voices were heard. They voted and added to Trump's overall tally. Unfortunately for them, more people voted Biden and he won the election as a result. That's how elections work. You vote, but that doesn't guarantee that "your side" will win. For a country that likes to preach democracy to the world, there's a lot of Americans who don't seem to understand how the process works and who could really do with being given a copy of the "Dummies guide to democracy"... ---

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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	10 Jan 2021 16:28
To:	fixrman	10 of 58

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quote: fixrman these are a result of the frustration of people who feel that their voice has not been heard. This is the most important point in all this. It's something that has existed for probably 50-years, unaddressed (indeed worsened) by successive regimes, regardless of the political party. Some have taken a stab at ameliorating the worst of it, always thwarted by the billionaire class that controls politicians and media alike (Zuckerberg is merely the latest manifestation). It is a tinderbox, armed to the teeth, and the arrest of a handful of agitators caught red-handed changes nothing. America is barreling towards a second civil war, and (at best) balkanization. It's exactly what I feared ~35 years ago when I bailed. Weimar Republic 2.0. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/08/trump-homegrown-fascism-inequality-poverty “Opinion: No One Should Go to Prison for a Crime They Didn’t Commit”

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From:	Manthorp	11 Jan 2021 13:28
To:	ALL	11 of 58

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You might as well rationalise with rain... "We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked." James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951 www.mynameislegion.org

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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	11 Jan 2021 14:13
To:	Manthorp	12 of 58

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...when the roof is leaking, and you've run out of saucepans... “Opinion: No One Should Go to Prison for a Crime They Didn’t Commit”

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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	14 Jan 2021 19:02
To:	ALL	13 of 58

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We interrupt this broadcast to bring you an important announcement: https://twitter.com/magalawbrian/status/1349533425988845570 “When the base of the party is not booing you, but chanting hang you, that’s a bad sign.”
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From:	fixrman	18 Jan 2021 01:20
To:	koswix	14 of 58

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Who do you think they were, then?

I don't know, do you? I'd prefer to wait until someone finds out, the FBI, or the CIA...

Did you happen to read about John Sullivan?

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	fixrman	18 Jan 2021 01:36
To:	ANT_THOMAS	15 of 58

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Their voice was heard. They voted, they lost, get over it. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, gained more votes of the American people than Trump, but still lost due to the system in place. Did democrat voters at the time riot and storm Capitol?

Rich. The Democrats and Hillary Clinton whined for four years over the loss of HRC. And then there is the "Russian investigation" and impeachment trial. You have got to be kidding me. Seems people can justify almost anything over personal dislike. Ridiculous.

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So he deserved to be killed by the police?

I'd be interested in what you know about that other than what you read in some rag. Did you know that George Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system? If he had been found home alone, the ruling would have been death by an overdose. 3 ng/mL of fentanyl has been known to cause death.

Now, Derek Chauvin was definitely wrong in the restraint; for the life of me I do not know what ever possessed him to perform that type of restraint. But he will never work in law enforcement again, and according to reports I read, was a scumbag outside of LE, what with his tax evasion and other questionable actions, But it is quite conceivable that any scenario involving stress for Floyd would have resulted in death, so the restraint was not the sole cause, but definitely a contributing factor. Neither was the restraint justified.

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Can't have it both ways.

So glad you mentioned that. So the rioting, looting and arson in various cities around the U.S. is justified because of George Floyd's death? How is burning down another black man's lifelong dream of a business, a rack of blue jeans, sneakers, and ransacking of stores related? Can YOU have it both ways?

What about David Dorn, a black ex-police officer who was watching his friend's store and killed by a looter justified?

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	fixrman	18 Jan 2021 01:45
To:	Dave!!	16 of 58

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For a country that likes to preach democracy to the world, there's a lot of Americans who don't seem to understand how the process works and who could really do with being given a copy of the "Dummies guide to democracy"...

A lot of Democrats preach democracy, but to anyone who is actually paying attention, America is not. We are a Federal Presidential Constitutional Republic. The Founding Fathers took great pains to ensure that a democracy was not the result of the Philadelphia Convention, because throughout history, democracies always fail.

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Jake Angeli, who often goes by the pseudonym of the "QAnon Shaman". Gee, I wonder what his affiliation is.

Right. He also held a sign, "Q sent me." Does that mean he is a British Secret Service Operative? No, he's a whack job.

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there's a lot of Americans who don't seem to understand how the process works and who could really do with being given a copy of the "Dummies guide to democracy"...

Physician, heal thyself.

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	fixrman	18 Jan 2021 02:09
To:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	17 of 58

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I don't disagree with a lot of what you said there. But let me ask this: Why is it OK for thousands to protest and commit violence in the streets in the name of Black Lives - who, incidentally, have never condemned black on black murder - and what happened at the Capitol?

Now, the idiots who stormed the Capitol clearly hadn't thought things out well; what did they hope to accomplish? It made no sense, n matter who did it. But did it make sense for rioters to destroy nearly every business on 8th street and Chestnut streets in Philadelphia?

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Some have taken a stab at ameliorating the worst of it, always thwarted by the billionaire class that controls politicians and media alike

You've actually said quite a lot there. Ever notice American politicians who vehemently profess, gesturing and pointing wildly, that they "will fight for you"? Really? I submit that all they do is fight for their own continued self-enrichment, and the continuation of their political status.

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America is barreling towards a second civil war

Is it that surprising, really? When you have so many politicians telling them that if they vote for them, they will get "free stuff", what would you expect? That's what democracy brings: when the people discover that they can vote largesse for themselves through the public treasury, they will always vote for the candidate who promises them the most. The end result is loose fiscal policy and a bankrupt nation (rough paraphrase of Alexander Tytler/Lord Woodhouselee). The end result is Socialism, then Communism.

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a handful of agitators caught red-handed changes nothing.

It didn't matter in the riots across America, either. Those crimes happened and were allowed to continue by the Governors and Mayors whose responsibility it was to maintain the peace, yet they abandoned that responsibility, letting criminals riot to their hearts content.

Who do common folks call when the police are defunded? Social workers? What a joke.

In the end, it doesn't matter. I challenge anyone to find the word "democracy" in the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, or the Bill of Rights. It's not there, because the Founding Father knew that democracies always fail.

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	fixrman	18 Jan 2021 02:12
To:	Manthorp	18 of 58

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You'd know a lot about that, wouldn't you? After all, isn't there rain many times a week over there?

But I take heart in the fact that you lot are at least as critical of your own politicians - maybe more so - as you are with ours, even though I doubt you know as much about ours as you think you do.

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	fixrman	18 Jan 2021 02:15
To:	ALL	19 of 58

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I submit that if more people spent more time absorbed with their own lives than what happens on Twitter, the world would be much better off.

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	koswix	18 Jan 2021 09:46
To:	fixrman	20 of 58

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You poor deluded fool.


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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	18 Jan 2021 21:37
To:	fixrman	21 of 58

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You might find this an interesting take on it: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/were-on-the-verge-of-breakdown-a-data-scientists-take-on-trump-and-biden Quote: “We’ve seen growing immiseration for 30 to 40 years: rising levels of state debt, declining median wages and declining life expectancies. But the most important aspect is elite overproduction” – by which he means that not just capital owners but high professionals – lawyers, media professionals and entertainment figures – have become insulated from wider society. It is not just the 1% who are in this privileged sector, but the 5% or 10% or even 20% – the so-called “dream hoarders” – they vie for a fixed number of positions and to translate wealth into political position. “The elites had a great run for a while but their numbers become too great. The situation becomes so extreme they start undermining social norms and [there is] a breakdown of institutions. Who gets ahead is no longer the most capable, but [the one] who is willing to play dirtier.” “When the base of the party is not booing you, but chanting hang you, that’s a bad sign.”

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From:	fixrman	20 Jan 2021 01:28
To:	koswix	22 of 58

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If anyone would know a deluded fool, I'd say it would be you.

You know nothing about me, not to mention what you don't know about America.

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	fixrman	20 Jan 2021 01:41
To:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	23 of 58

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Actually it is rather interesting. If I had to boil it down: the college elitists, instead of pissing and moaning about not "making it", should get their noses out of the air, get off their asses and go out, get their hands dirty and work for a living. Nobody handed me jack squat; everything I have has been earned and paid for by me by the sweat of my brow, and the callouses of my hands,

When I didn't know something, I asked questions. I have never paid for anything that I could do for myself, and If I didn't know how to do it, I asked somebody who did know or researched the answer.

It is true that necessity is the mother of all invention. When my wife and I were young, we didn't have money to pay plumbers, electricians, HVAC guys and home handy men, so I had to do it. I also was fortunate to have a skill in automotive repair, so we didn't pay for that either.

Bottom line is, there is no free lunch. If you want to succeed, you had better get out there and do it. They can get busy livin' or they should get busy dyin'.

I am sick and tired of listened to entitled crybabies who want things given to them.

Sorry for the rant. Time for a beer. Cheers!

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	Dave!!	20 Jan 2021 08:32
To:	fixrman	24 of 58

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>> " I am sick and tired of listened to entitled crybabies who want things given to them. " Hate to be blunt, but the biggest and most entitled crybaby in America is called Donald Trump... And he never did get that election given to him as he wanted... ---

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From:	milko	20 Jan 2021 09:50
To:	ALL	25 of 58

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I've no particular regard for the Democrats or Joe Biden - I do have high hopes for the likes of AOC in future, if their party doesn't manage to pull off what Labour's right just did to the left in the UK. But it's just really sad that so many of the American working class were taken in by the corny con-artist Donald Trump and his coterie. I totally understand the anger but still struggle to understand how they thought (and even still think!) that this was the way to go.

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