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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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42264.83 In reply to 42264.82 
Watching Prime Minister's questions just now, and May's answers are 100% genuine 1984 stuff. Apparently Parliament has fully discussed and rejected all alternative options to her proposals. 
never trust a man in a blue trench coat, never drive a car when you're dead
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 From:  Manthorp  
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42264.84 In reply to 42264.83 
I think that the EU may have just shot her fox.

If France holds to the position they've just adopted - that they won't accede to the short delay unless she can provide evidence beforehand that she'll deliver a result - then she has a handful of days (maybe just three) to bribe and cajole a majority for her 'deal', or she's obliged to go cap-in-hand to the EU for the long delay. Which, of course, makes Remain more likely. Interesting times.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
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42264.85 In reply to 42264.82 
"the strategy is very obvious"

“Michael Jackson fan groups to sue accusers for ‘sullying his memory’”
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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42264.86 In reply to 42264.85 
Indeed!
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Manthorp     
42264.87 In reply to 42264.84 
Watched her "speech". I would have laughed if I wasn't so worried about my pension. It was like Endora Stephens from Bewitched trying out hypnosis for the first time: "You're feeling sleepy, you're tired of Brexit, your eyes are closing, I'm on your side, you want my deal, MPs are to blame, you will hear only my voice..."
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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42264.88 In reply to 42264.87 
Hah! Somebody else with a similar thought.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
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 :'-D 
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
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42264.90 In reply to 42264.87 
In any normal circumstances that speech would have been the setup for a resignation, not with May.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
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42264.91 In reply to 42264.90 
She really does not seem to either grasp or care (not sure which) that after a hard brexit and all the ensuing disasters, she will be the most reviled PM in history. Apologies to Neville, Maggie, and Tony.
“Reactions of shock to … are starting to populate Twitter.’”
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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You missed Cameron from that list. He reintroduced entitlement as a primary qualification for government, imposed a savage austerity on the UK that saw an unprecedented rise in rough-sleeping and food banks, and vastly accelerated the flow of wealth upwards to the richest. Then, scared of his party's right-wing and constantly overshadowed by his Bullingdon Club sibling, Boris Johnson, he called the referendum, made a pitiful half-arsed attempt to lead the Remain campaign, lost, and then fucked off as though it had nothing to do with him. The little shit has even suggested, recently, that he still has something to "offer" in government. 

But yes, as Ant suggests, a resignation would be long overdue for anybody with any sense of shame. Unfortunately it's beginning to look as though she's determined to persist in order to ensure that the UK leaves the EU without a deal i.e. to carry out her threat. After meeting her yesterday, Anna Soubry said that she seemed delusional "quite seriously". 
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
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42264.93 In reply to 42264.92 
She certainly looks mentally unfit, by some combination of (no doubt prescription) drug abuse and exhaustion.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
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Ooh, they done busted out the Harmy*.



*(this is how a Québécoise friend pronounced it many moons ago)
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 From:  Dave!!  
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42264.95 In reply to 42264.91 
As William said, Cameron has to be in there as well. The austerity shit is a big reason, but also the whole mess we're in now due to him calling the referendum in the first place. Don't forget that he didn't call it because he believed in the UK leaving (unlike the SNP's Scotland independence referendum), he did it purely to try and boost his own power by uniting his party behind him.

He thought firstly that the Tories wouldn't win a majority, hence they'd have to go into coalition with the Lib Dems again who'd scrub the referendum from taking place (DC could then shrug at his eurosceptic MPs and say "Well, I tried. Now back me". Then when the Tories did get a majority, he never thought for one second that Leave would win, meaning that his campaigning was pitiful. He though Remain would walk it and again, he could say "I've given you the referendum, the people want to remain. Now shut up and back me".

Lastly when Leave did win, he promptly pissed off and left everyone else to deal with the mess he'd created.

Saying that, May is making a compelling argument for becoming one of the worst PMs in history due to her refusal to compromise or listen to MPs, then trying to blame them when the shit inevitably hits the fan.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
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Cameron knew exactly what he was doing - he'd done his research and knew the vote would be close.

Whether he expected remain or leave is irrelevant, both possibilities were planned, and every moment since he announced the referendum has been a calculated charade to expand division and resentment amongst the populace, to exhaust people and grow the apathy that allows the Tories to increase their power and control.

Whether May is in on it or a puppet is irrelevant too, her actions are deliberate, her position as PM kept whilst it's needed, just like the rift in the Conservative party - they'll both be gone in moments when it's deemed beneficial to do so.


^ Can you prove that wrong?

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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
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42264.97 In reply to 42264.96 
Nope - can't prove that wrong.

I'd be surprised if Cameron was content to appear so ugly in a planned way. And I don't believe that's how it worked out.

I do believe that there's substantially more planning and less random chance in all this, however.

I also believe that Theresa May is probably close to insanity. Not saying i'm sympathetic.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
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And May's cunning plan is down the shitter.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
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Ewww. She's fished it back out. Bojo's donning the "suicide vest."
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
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Interesting stats: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2019/mar/27/how-did-your-mp-vote-in-the-indicative-votes

(Though fuck knows why the idiots have numbered them in popularity order for the first list and motion order for the second list, instead of just sticking with the letters that everyone else is using.)

Customs union option would have had majority if LibDem/SNP had gone for it. Public vote could have had majority if just 14 Labour MPs had gone the other way (or DUP+4 independents), but there appears less disunity there than with the Conservatives.

A significant number of Conservatives voting against every motion. No surprise.

And they all vote again on Monday in case things are different then?

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 From:  Manthorp  
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42264.101 In reply to 42264.100 
Labour whipped a couple of the motions, which might have helped.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   
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42264.102 In reply to 42264.101 
It'll be interesting to see if more parties emerge out of all this disagreeability. Reminds me of Israel, where the smallest and most fanatical ones end up with wildly disproportionate influence.
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