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 From:  Dave!!   24 Dec 2020 17:29 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)       195 of 200 
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Yep, better than no deal, but still a shit deal.

A bit like cutting your foot off is better than cutting your head off...
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)   24 Dec 2020 22:41 
 To:  Dave!!      196 of 200 
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And that total butt-hole Starmer intends to whip the opposition to support it. He seems to have an almost infallible ability to make 180 degree wrong decisions with no pressure on him. The govt. has an 80 seat majority. Labour abstaining would still see the deal go through. Now Johnson can (rightly) state that the deal has support from both sides of the house. 

I suppose I shouldn't expect more when a supposed human-rights lawyer whips the opposition to abstain rather than oppose measures to make soldiers who murder and torture abroad immune from prosecution at home.

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 From:  milko   25 Dec 2020 00:11 
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)      197 of 200 
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I think in this particular case he’s damned if he does or doesn’t. Abstaining would be taken badly by the UK press. Which doesn’t change my general agreement for what you’re saying, and it’s his as much his own fault as well as his mates for all refusing to countenance the chance we had for a Brexit with single market and free movement (and plenty more besides) under Corbyn. Hope they enjoy reaping the whirlwind sooner rather than later. 
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)   25 Dec 2020 09:22 
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he’s damned if he does or doesn’t
I agree, but sadly, his appearance is his primary consideration, i.e. his Westminster view of how t'northern voters in t'lost constituencies should view him as 'strong' on law and 'supportive' of a brexit/trade deal. In other words, Johnson is driving the agenda and Starmer is in campaign mode as well. Any idea of being honest and principled has vanished. Pity being named after a Labour icon doesn't impart any similarities.

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 From:  Dave!!   25 Dec 2020 10:02 
 To:  milko      199 of 200 
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I agree, but abstaining would be the right middle ground IMO. It'd show that Labour isn't rejecting the deal, however they are putting full onus on the Tories to own it. By voting in favour, every time Starmer criticises anything about it going forwards, Boris will just reply with "Well, you backed the deal"...
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    25 Dec 2020 13:56 
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Why Boris blinked:

“Social media manipulation affects even US senators”
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