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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    21 Jan 2019 17:32 
 To:  graphitone      153 of 211 
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Yeah it seems the waves of attackers are triggered by walking into different areas of the palace.

Strange thing happened to me: I tried to throw a grenade, my indicator showed zero grenades (after I just did an ammo refill), then I used the mousewheel and it said 15 (full loadout), but when I threw grenades sometimes they just lay on the ground and didn't explode, and sometimes they did explode.
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 From:  Manthorp   21 Jan 2019 18:33 
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Yeah, they're not the best and the brightest, which is annoying when you lose karma after one of them walks under your vehicle or into your line of fire.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    21 Jan 2019 18:55 
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They're friendly and hand out cash. What's not to like?

The ones in FC3, if you accidentally shoot one, they turn their guns on you.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    22 Jan 2019 00:55 
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Finished it. The palace/fort/whatever battle was fairly epic, though not too hard with the GL/spas/buzzsaw combo (brought the elephant gun but never used it). I'm a bit disappointed at how passively Sabal and Min accepted their fate, didn't even have bodyguards, personal defense weapons, or attempt to escape.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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 From:  Manthorp   22 Jan 2019 09:05 
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The ones in FC3, if you accidentally shoot one, they turn their guns on you.

FC4, too. When I finished one game, I tried to get the locals to hate me so much that they would always shoot on sight. You can do it within one session, but it seems to reset if you quit & restart.
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 From:  Manthorp   22 Jan 2019 09:18 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)       158 of 211 
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Is Amita still alive?

You may already be aware of this, but there are interesting post-climactic cut scenes for both Sabal & Amita (depending which fork you took), both of which graphically demonstrate that they are becoming totalitarian monsters .
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 From:  graphitone   22 Jan 2019 09:26 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)       159 of 211 
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I watched the let Min live ending on YouTube and it concludes the story in a more satisfying way with a bit more exposition. In fact, I came to the realisation that Min is (torture scenes overlooked) a reasonably decent chap, even if he does have a thing for large choppers.


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 From:  graphitone   22 Jan 2019 09:29 
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Amita was still alive when I finished the game, but I didn't see her pop up in any of the end game cut scenes. I think I got a radio message from her, but that was it. :/


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 From:  Manthorp   22 Jan 2019 10:00 
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If you want to trigger the cutscene, go to Tirtha.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    22 Jan 2019 10:15 
 To:  Manthorp      162 of 211 
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I haven't had that, all I get is the warning and docked karma. They must be on more of a hair-trigger in 3. I've even had them come after me when their jeep got blowed up by a mine I set for the baddies. Speaking of which, I haven't figured out how to access mines in 4.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    22 Jan 2019 10:30 
 To:  graphitone      163 of 211 
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Yeah I watched that too. Meh. He gives another cute speech, boards a chopper and flies off into the sunset. Not a fitting end for a brutal dictator*. I would have preferred a mob lynch scene. Anyhoo. I have a theory as to why principal characters' interactions are all pre-rendered in both FC3 and 4: if they were presented from the 3d game engine, the difference in quality would be pretty jarring (and this is a standard game trope anyway).


*For that matter, neither was summary execution at the sole discretion of a Westernized interloper, yet here we are.
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 From:  Manthorp   22 Jan 2019 10:31 
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I don't think I could have got through those irritating mad animal wave attacks without setting up load of mines. Aren't they in the throwables cycle?
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    22 Jan 2019 10:37 
 To:  Manthorp      165 of 211 
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Not for me, just the meat, nades and molotovs. I find the weapon + ammo + throwable selection menu overly complicated and finicky, would prefer simply key mappings which, TBH, I never looked into.
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 From:  Manthorp   22 Jan 2019 12:16 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)       166 of 211 
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I find the weapon & syringe wheels a faff. I go through stages of bingeing on some elaborate key binding action, then forgetting all about it for days.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    22 Jan 2019 13:18 
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Christ, I really am lazy AF. https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/192996/how-do-i-place-mines
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 From:  Manthorp   22 Jan 2019 13:22 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)       168 of 211 
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You'll just have to start again.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    22 Jan 2019 13:54 
 To:  Manthorp      169 of 211 
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Looking forward to re-doing some base caps now I got all the weaps to play with. I'll probably start minimal and subtle, and go progressively more rambo as I become more inebriated.
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 From:  graphitone   22 Jan 2019 21:02 
 To:  Manthorp      170 of 211 
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Ah, thanks - found it tonight. Yep. The previous spoiler comment was right.
She's a total bitch. And you get to take her out as she's walking slowly out of the base, no obvious rewards other than the satisfaction that you've saved the indigenous populace from their fate.

Oops, must have stuck that in a quote box rather than a spolier. (fail)


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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)    23 Jan 2019 00:54 
 To:  Manthorp      171 of 211 
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Planted my first mine with "0". Did a base recap and was amply rewarded.
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 From:  Manthorp   23 Jan 2019 10:26 
 To:  graphitone      172 of 211 
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If you leave her alive, she appears to become a Yak rancher - you can find her in a camp by a meadow full of Yaks in the hills. So maybe she gets a fit of conscience or is just living quietly on her ill-gotten gains.
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