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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
41766.67 In reply to 41766.62 
I heard him speak about 6 months ago and he came over well, but that was with a receptive audience. He treats his audience with respect and doesn't dumb down his message which means that with a proportion of the electorate he is bound to fail. Somebody like Boris who comes on with arms aloft and announces 'Big!' nods a couple of times and follows through with 'Shiny!' will succeed.

But Corbyn's real problem is the opposition ranked against him, and that's the vast majority of the press and other media and his own parliamentary party who were busy briefing against him before the ink was dry on his candidacy. The behaviour of both is just jaw-dropping. If there's a Tory crisis then expect the story to be 'Corbyn not up to exploiting Tory crisis' and the press can pick from twenty third way Labour MPs to provide soundbites. You will almost never see footage of one of his speeches. What you will see is Laura Kuenssberg with her claims about what he must be thinking, usually with a few of her barbed remarks presented as factual reporting. On Saturday morning The BBC gave Ann Coffey an 'interview' where she was able to present a character assassination of Corbyn without a challenge or critical question. the following morning, a scheduled appearance by the shadow chancellor John McDonnell was replaced with an interview with Hilary Benn, again largely unchallenged and uncritical. Sweet old Hilary gave his faint praise destruction of Corbyn with relish, every inch the conspirator - the kind of thing that would have had his father spinning in his grave.
never trust a man in a blue trench coat, never drive a car when you're dead
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
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41766.68 
Whoa.

Just like that, BoJo's out
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
41766.69 In reply to 41766.68 


The 7 days since the referendum are getting very much out of hand.
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 From:  dave (10_ROGUE)  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
41766.70 In reply to 41766.68 
Wasn't he moved from education secretary to chief whip before the last election because no one can stand him?  What does he think has changed?  I thought there was more than a touch of machiavelli about him, but he's pulled a proper bait and switch with Boris.


 
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
41766.71 In reply to 41766.69 
Captain's locked himself in his cabin with a bottle of rum and service revolver, mutineers are either fist-fighting or jumping overboard.

Icebergs ahead...

 (fail)  (fail)  (fail)
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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
41766.72 In reply to 41766.71 


As much as I dislike the current lot, I'm backing Theresa May for PM. She seems the most staunch, forthright and switched on of the lot.
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 From:  koswix   
 To:  graphitone     
41766.73 In reply to 41766.72 
That's like saying rhubarb is the the most staunch, forthright and switched on. Only because it's forced to develop in artificial conditions.

Theresa May is probably the most dangerous of the lot, as she is severely ideologically driven and seems to have the skills to pull off her ideas. At least gove wouldn't actually manage to fuck anything up.

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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  koswix      
41766.74 In reply to 41766.73 
^^^^ This

She was the one who rolled out the disgusting "Go Home" immigration vans. Ideologically strong and happy to go about making things actually happen.
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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  koswix      
41766.75 In reply to 41766.73 
 :-D I like rhubarb.

Yeah, I'm fed up of fucking impotent politicians, she'd be effective, I just don't think it'd be a good thing. 

If Gove was elected, he'd only add to his hugely unpopular status.
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 From:  milko  
 To:  graphitone     
41766.76 In reply to 41766.75 
May will probably be efficiently and competently evil yes. What's this with her and the Yarl's Wood sexual offences? I haven't read up on it properly but her handling of that was reportedly Very Bad.

I have almost come to like how each day answers the question "Can this get any worse and farcical?" with "Sure, why not?"
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 From:  koswix   
 To:  graphitone     
41766.77 In reply to 41766.75 
Everyone likes rhubarb, and thankfully rhubarb doesn't hold many inflammatory views.

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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
41766.78 In reply to 41766.68 
It's not Westminster, it's Jonestown.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  Matt  
 To:  koswix      
41766.79 In reply to 41766.73 
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At least gove wouldn't actually manage to fuck anything up.
You forget that he used to be Minister of Education.

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 From:  koswix   
 To:  Matt     
41766.80 In reply to 41766.79 
Did he actually manage to do anything in that position? I thought everyone just ignored him.

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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  koswix      
41766.81 In reply to 41766.80 
Does demotivating the UK's teachers count?
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 From:  koswix   
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
41766.82 In reply to 41766.81 
I'm pretty sure that's what happens just by /having/ an Education Secretary.

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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  koswix      
41766.83 In reply to 41766.82 
It comes from having an education secretary that wants to be seen to be doing something, no matter the consequences, or how asinine the policy.

To be fair, that probably covers the majority, but Gove was a special case.
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 From:  koswix   
 To:  graphitone     
41766.84 In reply to 41766.83 
Gove is often a special case.

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 From:  johngti_mk-ii  
 To:  koswix      
41766.85 In reply to 41766.80 
He fucked us all roughly from behind. He worked to an elitist agenda. Changes to GCSEs are his doing and were unnecessary. Ditto for a-level changes. Everything is more academically focused now which is great for the 30% or so who are academic but sucks for the majority. Ofsted removed satisfactory from the possible judgement of an inspection. That's now "requires improvement" which sucks. His insistence that every child should have an above average education has given school leaders carte blanche to treat in-school monitoring and assessment policies as a big stick to beat staff up with. He changed teaching standards into another tool that allows slt to beat teachers up.

You can't ignore the Secretary of State. He's a twat.

Add THE VETOES to your myspace friends!!! Pretty please :D

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 From:  milko  
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There's only really two things anybody needs to know about Gove.



And



I suppose if his leadership campaign does look like going somewhere people can dig out the recent interview where he say he lacks the ability and desire to be PM, but in a post-facts political world it doesn't really matter does it.
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