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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
41641.174 In reply to 41641.172 
Don't bother Smiffy, 'e's not werf it. Like arguing with a brick.  A bigoted brick.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  Manthorp     
41641.175 In reply to 41641.174 
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/donald-trump-proves-racial-nationalism-is-alive-and-well/article29805755/
Roland Skollani was sick of Pittsburgh. This city was the dead-end of his failed dreams and even dope didn’t help his choking fits no more. It had been a mistake to leave Hollywood and to follow Rita. Maybe it was a twist of fate, that there were only a few days left to leave his ex-wife’s house. Now he MUST act. Rita had a new lover and he didn’t mind, but why of all people did she choose this greedy, corrupt cop Lennon?
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 From:  fixrman  
 To:  Manthorp     
41641.176 In reply to 41641.174 
Et tu, Brute?

This discourse serves to say that no matter what political system one lives under, one becomes inured to it. Those who are free cannot understand those who are repressed, those who have become accustomed to being taxed into oblivion cannot understand those who question taxation. Or giving up rights.

It is important to note that as far as bricks and bigots go, you two would do well to look in the mirror; that is, if you can get your asses and noses lowered.
 
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  fixrman     
41641.177 In reply to 41641.173 
Medicare is under pressure here, as it is in most industrialized northern countries, not least because we did not have enough immigration.

I'll leave you work out the math on that.
Roland Skollani was sick of Pittsburgh. This city was the dead-end of his failed dreams and even dope didn’t help his choking fits no more. It had been a mistake to leave Hollywood and to follow Rita. Maybe it was a twist of fate, that there were only a few days left to leave his ex-wife’s house. Now he MUST act. Rita had a new lover and he didn’t mind, but why of all people did she choose this greedy, corrupt cop Lennon?
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 From:  Dave!!  
 To:  fixrman     
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Name one thing that Steve or Dan have said which is bigoted...
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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  Dave!!     fixrman     
41641.179 In reply to 41641.178 
And name one time that Manthorp has had his ass in the air...

Oh.

Yep.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  Dave!!     
41641.180 In reply to 41641.178 
They're bigoted against bigots?

 :O)
Roland Skollani was sick of Pittsburgh. This city was the dead-end of his failed dreams and even dope didn’t help his choking fits no more. It had been a mistake to leave Hollywood and to follow Rita. Maybe it was a twist of fate, that there were only a few days left to leave his ex-wife’s house. Now he MUST act. Rita had a new lover and he didn’t mind, but why of all people did she choose this greedy, corrupt cop Lennon?
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 From:  Dave!!  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
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Ahh, didn't think of that you intolerant tard  :-P
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 From:  fixrman  
 To:  Dave!!     
41641.182 In reply to 41641.178 
Oh, sorry. Perhaps I should have said, Judgemental.

Name one thing I have said to be called a bigot.
 
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  fixrman     
41641.183 In reply to 41641.182 
Nothing wrong with being judgemental so long as it's honest and self-aware.

>Name one thing I have said to be called a bigot.

You've espoused quite a few positions on things without backing them up. When challenged. you wave your hands and talk a lot without really clearing anything up.

In fact, when challenged to back something up regarding healthcare recently you said something like "I have a problem with the statistics" and then mumbled on with some anecdotal nonsense. Of course stats can be manipulated but when you're routinely disagreeing with generally accepted fact without providing a convincing rationale for that disagreement then you should probably at least consider a re-evaluation.

 
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 From:  fixrman  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
41641.184 In reply to 41641.183 
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You've espoused quite a few positions on things without backing them up.

Uhhh. that is not bigotry, mate. Just because I do not agree with opinions of others here, does not make me a bigot. Actually, that would make many members of Teh bigots; many of you have rejected out of hand any opinion different than your own, regarding your positions as being superior or correct. To whit:
 

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[big-uh-tree]
noun, plural bigotries.
1.
stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
2.
the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.


If you are referring to a comment I made about immigration, I have no problem with people of any ethnicity coming here, as long as they can support themselves. The problem I have is with people who come here to freeload. They don't work and expect the rest of us to provide for them. That's not the way it should be.

If I don't qualify for GSM to emigrate to Australia, does that make Australia a country of bigots, or are they just protecting themselves from freeloaders? We have plenty of freeloaders here already, and I don't care what colour they are or belief set they have - if they refuse to work because they are lazy and want to suck the government teat - I have a problem with that.

As far as obamacare goes, one would have to be living in a vacuum to not know that it is not working. I said I would leave it for you to decipher the data, frankly because there are so many angles it boggles the mind. Also, if I had provided links and evidence, the attack would have been the source or the content's being wrong. That's what you lot often do. As a matter of fact, I provided links in a recent post that were ignored totally.
 

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Nothing wrong with being judgemental so long as it's honest and self-aware.

I'd like to see your face on that one. Being judgemental is not a complimentary personality trait in most circles. But it is something widely accepted here at Teh, particularly if the poster happens to be American. Or, as you lot like to refer to us as, 'Merkins. Incidentally, I am generally thought to be honest. sometimes brutally so. I am also generally thought by my peers to be self-aware. Sorry I can't provide links to prove that, but I suspect that by your post you self-consider yourself to be self-aware.
 

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When challenged. you wave your hands and talk a lot without really clearing anything up. Of course stats can be manipulated but when you're routinely disagreeing with generally accepted fact without providing a convincing rationale for that disagreement then you should probably at least consider a re-evaluation.

Hand waving? Right. Talking a lot a not clearing anything up means not changing my opinion and agreeing with you. So what is the "generally accepted "fact"? By the by, just because many people believe a thing does not make it true. Such as, the world being flat, or Teh Forum members always thinking that only they are right. That is my perception of how things are.

They name streets after people like that: One-way. Perhaps that is why your site isn't *"busy"? The Hive mentality can make it a challenge for folks to stick around when they don't assimilate.  ;) How is that for honesty?


* In all fairness to Teh, I am not aware of any Beehive site that is busy.

 
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 From:  milko  
 To:  fixrman     
41641.185 In reply to 41641.184 
Australia's pretty awful on the whole racist bigot thing actually. Not the best example! Their "processing centres" for refugees/illegal immigrants have been likened to concentration camps recently.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  fixrman     
41641.186 In reply to 41641.184 
You have this thing about "freeloaders". Call it an unhealthy obsession. Why the hate? What exactly have "freeloaders" done to you? Is your life that miserable? Are you a failure?
Roland Skollani was sick of Pittsburgh. This city was the dead-end of his failed dreams and even dope didn’t help his choking fits no more. It had been a mistake to leave Hollywood and to follow Rita. Maybe it was a twist of fate, that there were only a few days left to leave his ex-wife’s house. Now he MUST act. Rita had a new lover and he didn’t mind, but why of all people did she choose this greedy, corrupt cop Lennon?
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  fixrman     
41641.187 In reply to 41641.184 
> The Hive mentality can make it a challenge for folks to stick around when they don't assimilate

You're still here. You must enjoy being mentally challenged.

:D


> Being judgemental is not a complimentary personality trait in most circles.

There's a difference between being discerning and being a snob.

Of course it's also possible to be both, and there is plenty of condescension towards the skin sacks that share your national vicinity from the fleshy farts that fill the landmass I reside within - and this forum isn't much different from offliners in that respect (except perhaps that there's a slightly higher concentration of good judgemental here), and ... well Americans probably do get it worst, particularly recently, but they also share the abuse with French and Germans and others. Still, as Swedish dairyman says, at least the bloody British are not as bad as the Kangaroo-fucking Kiwis.

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  fixrman     
41641.188 In reply to 41641.184 
>stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Yes. Exactly.

It's not that you have firmly held beliefs - we all, as you say, have those. It's that you refuse to reassess them in the face of overwhelming evidence. And even irrationally reject the evidence itself.

I can't be arsed reading the rest of your post as I'm sure it's the same old circular bullshit as always.

 
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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  fixrman     
41641.189 In reply to 41641.184 
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The Hive mentality can make it a challenge for folks to stick around when they don't assimilate.

I'm not sure I've ever assimilated into the hive mind as you put it and I've been here about 7 years. I've never been to a meat, but feel I know most of the people here well enough to count them as friends people I frequently talk to on the internet.

I do live in Yorkshire though, so maybe I'm foreign enough to be excluded. :J

However, though I don't post a huge amount here, I do read the threads every day, so something keeps pulling me back, and it's not just PB's profile picture.

I think it's the honest, easy going nature of people here. Also, it's a great place to throw a question out and get an answer back without the barrage of trolling that happens elsewhere. Plus, people are helpful. Mostly. Well Milko once showed me a picture of his bike. I was disappointed it didn't have spokey dokes.

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 From:  fixrman  
 To:  graphitone     
41641.190 In reply to 41641.189 
Part of the problem in discussing politics is that we are in different situations. You lot live in yours, I live in mine - and we both think it works. What I don't understand is why folks there are so concerned with and criticise the U.S. so much; we don't do it here over the U.K. and her politics.
 
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Also, it's a great place to throw a question out and get an answer back without the barrage of trolling that happens elsewhere.


I've found it a bit different in the political realm, but perhaps given the membership that is to be expected. We are coming at things from different mindsets.
 

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Plus, people are helpful.

That is true enough. Technically, there are many here who are extremely well-versed with things electronica, etc.
 

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Well Milko once showed me a picture of his bike.

His bike, eh? Is that what you're calling it? Lucky dog, then. ;-P

 

 
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 From:  fixrman  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
41641.191 In reply to 41641.186 
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Why the hate?

Hate? Pretty strong assumption on your part.

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Is your life that miserable? Are you a failure?

What does a disrespect for freeloaders have to do with either of that? Were I a failure, I'd be right in with the freeloaders, I'd expect. But I think one's view of success or not has to do with what they view as being important, and what they had set out to do. Freeloaders choose to do nothing, and I have certainly never done nothing. That means I and many other Americans have to pay for them.

No, I was always taught that whatever one does, one always gives it their all, the best they have. I find it hard to believe that one's best is nothing, sans illness or infirmity; in either of those situations, that is totally different.

Failure? I hardly think so. Maybe you'd think so, but yours would be as unusual definition.

 
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 From:  fixrman  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
41641.192 In reply to 41641.187 
Thanks for proving my point.  ;)
 
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 From:  milko  
 To:  fixrman     
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The USA doesn't have any concern or criticism for the UK's politics because they are pretty much inconsequential, the reverse isn't true.
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