Dump Trump - Teh Forum

From:	ANT_THOMAS	1 Mar 2016 16:34
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Mesmerising. A

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From:	Harry (HARRYN)	1 Mar 2016 17:47
To:	DeannaG (CYBATRON)	120 of 207

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quote: cybatron No more Clintons! We already had one cost the tax payers $40 million over a lie and a blowjob. What is she going to cost us? I'd vote for a crossed eyed chimp before I'd even think about voting for her. If we're going to have a woman in the white house, my vote is for Roseanne Barr. I'd love to see her take on those stuffed shirts. Just this woman's opinion. :) I agree. I follow the ABC rule - Anyone but Clinton.

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From:	DeannaG (CYBATRON)	2 Mar 2016 22:31
To:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	121 of 207

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Disgusting. Isn't it? I think he should have to pay that money back! I pay my bills and taxes. The government should have to pay theirs too. Why should the citizens and taxpayers be the only ones counting pennies to survive? >:( Beehive Styles Forum: If you've created a Beehive style and want to display it and offer it to others, or are looking for styles for your Beehive forum, then this is the place for you!

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From:	DeannaG (CYBATRON)	2 Mar 2016 22:36
To:	Harry (HARRYN)	122 of 207

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Anyone but Clinton or Trump. They're both whacked in the head to one degree or another. Even if I was prone to such a vile habit, I wouldn't spit on either one of them. They're just not worthy of that much of me. So they're definitely not getting my vote! Beehive Styles Forum: If you've created a Beehive style and want to display it and offer it to others, or are looking for styles for your Beehive forum, then this is the place for you!

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From:	koswix	2 Mar 2016 22:49
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So do you think that extra-marital oral sex and lies are traits inherited through marriage?


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From:	milko	3 Mar 2016 11:28
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I think Hillary has plenty of bad points that aren't anything to do with Bill's famous scandals.

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From:	fixrman	3 Mar 2016 11:38
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Interesting. How does Hillary scan over there?

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	3 Mar 2016 12:11
To:	fixrman	126 of 207

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I'd personally prefer Bernie over Hillary but I'd prefer Hilary generally over any Republican. But I totally understand the issues with her, this email stuff is starting to stink and she's clearly cosy with the corporations. A

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From:	koswix	3 Mar 2016 13:39
To:	milko	127 of 207

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I think so too, which is why I thought it was strange to cite Bill's blow job as a reason not to vote for Hillary when there's clearly an abundance of other, far more relevant reasons.


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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	3 Mar 2016 15:08
To:	ANT_THOMAS	128 of 207

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Hillary's the best of a bad bunch (of those who have a snowball's chance in hell). ---- "American football is when a bunch over over paid American sports people frightened of being hurt strap on a ton of armour to play a game of rugby"

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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	3 Mar 2016 15:09
To:	koswix	129 of 207

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That's the level of political discourse in America. :-(( ---- "American football is when a bunch over over paid American sports people frightened of being hurt strap on a ton of armour to play a game of rugby"

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From:	milko	3 Mar 2016 16:41
To:	fixrman	130 of 207

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Depends on who you ask, same as Trump etc. there are some who like her and some who don't. I don't know if I'd say we have anything approaching an obvious consensus.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	4 Mar 2016 02:13
To:	fixrman	131 of 207

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I don't know how far this aligns with the view over here in general but my view is: Hilary Clinton is a pretty typical "third way" politician in the mould of Bill Clinton, Tony Blair or Barrack Obama. I think Bill had more (political) integrity though, Hilary will literally say anything to anyone to get votes. She's very skilled at saying nothing in such a way that everyone thinks they heard what they wanted to hear. The problem for her this election is that Bernie's pushed her way to the left of where she wanted to be and, should she win the nomination, it's going to be interesting to see how she reels that back in. I think things are changing though. In various places we've seen the rise of anti-austerity parties/candidates who question the economic status quo. Obviously Bernie Sanders represents this in the US. It's becoming a popular position which can win votes across the traditional political spectrum and the party is really failing to respond to it because they're stacked with third-wayers. Hilary is so far up the arse of big money that even she can't straddle that particular set of issues and when she tries it rings very hollow, especially in the context of the Goldman Sachs speeches. If the popular narrative moves where it looks like it's moving with regard to the kinda stuff Bernie's talking about then the Democratic Party risks becoming ideologically estranged from its base, which it would not weather well. In any normal election Hilary would stand very little change in a general election, her unfavourables are ridiculously high. This isn't a normal election though, the GOP have failed to field a viable candidate so she has a potential shot at winning (I'm not saying Trump isn't viable, but he's not really a GOP candidate in any meaningful sense. I'll get to that). And she probably is going to be the nominee. Bernie's not totally out of it, most of the states so far have been particularly favourable for Hilary, the states where Bernie stands a decent chance are up next - he could take it to the convention but it's an uphill battle (but really he's had an uphill battle all the way, he's done amazingly well for a Jewish, secular, non-corportate-funded socialist). Trump is another kettle of fish. Trump is entirely the fault of the media and politicians - they've spent the last 50 or so years dumbing down the political discourse, minimising ideology and policy in favour of the sound-bite and treating politics as a popularity contest which is entirely about money and how much 'speech' it can buy rather than a discussion. In the context of the climate they've created, Trump is the perfect candidate. He stands for absolutely nothing but will say anything and he grabs headlines and airtime by saying and doing stupid shit. Which, to a woefully uneducated electorate looks like "straight talking" and "telling it how it is" and "being tough". The fact that he has no actual policy doesn't matter. The fact that he doesn't mean the stuff he uses as a stand in for policy ("we'll build a wall") (he's been recorded, off the record, as saying he has no intention of following through on that, he just says it to get votes) doesn't matter. As he said himself during one of his speeches - he could literally go out and shoot people in the street and it wouldn't matter, he wouldn't lose votes. Trump is a(n imbecilic) monster created by the media and politicians. What matters is whether his support has a ceiling (I suspect it does) and whether he destroys the GOP (I suspect he will) which is going to be very interesting in the long term. If the GOP was going to do anything to stop Trump it really had to happen before now. Rubio stands a mathematical chance of being competitive but it's looking less and less likely (though he was helped by Cruz claiming a few states on super tuesday). Trump is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a Republican. So the GOP either just grins and bears it or they split. The Republican party should really be about 5 separate parties anyway - the neocons have very little in common with the libertarians who have very little in common with the religious right who have very little in common with the moderates who have very little in common with the traditional constitutional conservatives. It's a wonder they've managed to hold together so long really (well, it's not, they use bullshit token issues like gun control and abortion, which are basically settled issues - when it comes to policy the parties aren't at all far apart on these issues. They're used as a wedge to artificially polarise the electorate). Anyway, I think Trump will be enough to make those cracks within the party properly rupture. Which could actually be good for the country. Since you currently essentially have two centre-right parties. If the Republicans split into 3 parties (neocons+moderates, conservatives+libertarians and religious right) and the dems split into two (third-wayers and actual (modern, anti-austerity type) leftists) then a far broader spectrum of political views, and ones with far more internal logic, would be represented. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	4 Mar 2016 10:35
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	132 of 207

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America's political system is a victim and a prisoner of its economic system (predatory capitalism). If you can't fix the latter, the whole damn thing is going to blow up, a whole lot of people are going to get killed. It will get ugly, it will get vicious. Even more than it already is. ---- "American football is when a bunch over over paid American sports people frightened of being hurt strap on a ton of armour to play a game of rugby"

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From:	fixrman	5 Mar 2016 13:52
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	133 of 207

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Good post, very well=thought out. Just a few comments:

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Hilary will literally say anything to anyone to get votes; Hilary is so far up the arse of big money; In any normal election Hilary would stand very little change [sic] in a general election, her unfavourables are ridiculously high

It is amazing to me that her supporters do not see her many negatives. Her trustworthiness factor should be much higher than it is, but I suspect that since so many obama supporters convinced themselves they were getting "free stuff" (many were convinced he would pay mortgages, for free iPhones, etc.) they also feel that HRC will be just like obama and all that largess will come. What they fail to realise is, obama and the clintons hate each other. The only reason HRC is trying to cozy up to obama is she thinks it will help her get the minority votes, despite the fact that she has also tried to distance herself from obama...

The fact that HRC is generally surrounded by a myriad of controversies involving coverups, corruption, lying and other questionable behaviour doesn't seem to bother many in the Democratic camp, yet those same people would decry very loudly the same behaviour of a Republican.

Trump is a bloviating buffoon, but the media loves him. Why? Because it keeps them on air flapping their gums as they love to do. I fear Donald Trump as a Loose Cannon, but against HRC or Bernie Sanders - if pressed to choose - I'll have to vote for Trump. My preference would be, however, for someone else. The only problem is, the someone else might not be able to win.

Hopefully time will change some things.For right now, I can't watch the circus. The Dem debates are usually held at some time when no one will watch them; they are about as interesting as a yawning festival. That protects HRC from snapping like an angry dog if Bernie decides to push her buttons.

The Republican debates are in Prime Time because that's what people want to see: ridiculousness, the latest "Trumpisms".

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	6 Mar 2016 09:46
To:	fixrman	134 of 207

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I don't think she's mainly associating herself with Obama for the black vote. I think it's mainly because his approval amongst democrats is extremely high (~80%). She'll no doubt distance herself from him should she get the nomination since nationally his approval is moderately low for a president at this point in their presidency. Cosying up to Obama certainly shores up the black vote but she seems to have it anyway as some sort of Bill Clinton proxy. I had strong doubts about her "firewall" but it's proven true so far, in the South at least. Be interesting to see whether it holds true in the North, too. Her support is fucking weird though, yeah. I get the distinct impression that no one actually likes her and yet she has huge support. Her unfavourables are really really bad. I think the DNC is just stacked with Clintonites who feel an affiliation to her regardless of her personality/abilities. In a way she is a great candidate though. She's very businesslike and serious but not without charisma and, as I said in the previous post, she's absolutely nailed that ability to make everyone think they heard what they wanted to hear. She's cosy with banking and big business which is important in terms of campaigning (or at least was in the pre-internet age, I think that's one of those things that's changing). And, and this is really important I think, when she talks foreign policy she sounds like a Republican - whether you agree with her or not she knows that stuff inside out, has the cabinet experience to back it up, and she sounds tough and serious. She's a really good candidate for the party establishment. She's exactly (favourability aside) what they've thought they've needed for years. I think times are changing though. The controversies... I don't think people really care. The Republicans make a big deal of it and the media chase it to an extent but I don't think voters really give a fuck. Also the Clintons just seem to have a sort of teflon quality to them with regard to controversy. The Democrat debates are fucking boring. They're far too afraid to be thought of as attacking that they barely disagree. It's horrible. They just end up as stump speech remixes. The Republican debates are hugely fucking entertaining. Not just because of the Trump freakshow, though that's part of it. But also because they actually disagree about policy and debate those disagreements. The level of debate is often not all that elevated but at least it exists. I believe there's a town hall coming up with Trump, Sanders and Clinton. That might be good. And I do hope that Bernie lays into Clinton a bit more during the next debate in Flint. I think he will, he kinda has to. But yeah, the democrat debates and town halls have been tightly controlled by the DNC in order to favour Clinton as much as possible. Sanders benefits from the exposure and Clinton doesn't really, not while she's ahead at least. It's kinda disgusting. Last thing I'll say in this stream of consciousness waffle is that I miss Rand Paul. An intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate Republican with actual integrity was a rare sight. Even if Trump doesn't get the nomination the rest of the field are clowns too, they just look good in comparison to Trump. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	fixrman	6 Mar 2016 14:14
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	135 of 207

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Quote: I get the distinct impression that no one actually likes her

That's because, unless talking about a specific set of people (mainly Democrats and low-information voters), she's not likeable. Older women don't like HRC and neither do young women.

Quote: In a way she is a great candidate though. She's very businesslike and serious but not without charisma

Hillary? Charisma? Are you sure you aren't talking about Bill C. in a dress?

Quote: The controversies... I don't think people really care.

I think they do care and will care more. She has honesty problems; the Email bit does actually have serious implications, especially considering David Petreaus' fate. What Clinton did - or allowed to have happen - is worse many times over. Clinton's problem is that she continued to lie about it, try to deflect it and of course - blame the ever present (to her) "vast Right-Wing Conspiracy". Uhuh. :-/

I'd wager a bet that soon Bernie Sanders does an about-face and begins attacking her, as he needs to do if he really wants to win.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	7 Mar 2016 03:37
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She has some charisma. Not as much as Bill but she's not totally devoid of it like a lot of recent candidates have been. And yeah, tonight's debate just finished and Sanders is hitting her harder which is good to see. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Harry (HARRYN)	22 Apr 2016 01:06
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Maybe if we are lucky, there will be enough complaints about the primary elections that the "caucus" system states will convert to normal primary elections. This is a problem, almost regardless of your personal political views.

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	22 Apr 2016 20:44
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> Maybe if we are lucky...
> ...
> This is a problem...

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